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‘Confirming we are cleared to land?’ Who said what at Austin
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Re: ‘Confirming we are cleared to land?’ Who said what at Austin
#32So I am neither a pilot nor an aviation geek, but to me it looks like, besides heavy fog, two things happened. (1) control misjudged the approach time for FedEx. 3 miles out is - what? - a minute and a half, at best at approach speed? (2) control did not expedite a takeoff for southwest so they took their sweet time rolling onto the runway and accelerating.
At this day and age it is bewildering to see all of this running on human communication essentially. Why cannot descending plane lay a claim on a runway in some computer system and a cabin in Southwest - blare a horn for pilots trying to steer into a claimed runway?
Re: ‘Confirming we are cleared to land?’ Who said what at Austin
#33I'm curious in this situation if there was a TCAS warning.
Comments on Reddit from Boeing pilots suggested that TCAS wouldn't sound on the ground (or that near to the ground).
Re: ‘Confirming we are cleared to land?’ Who said what at Austin
#34FedEx crew seemed to be the adults in this situation / the most aware of the situation. Good for them.
That fedex captain deserves an award. Adults in the situation is an understatement.
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#35The top of the article: > ‘As bad as it gets without body bags.’ > Why the Austin airport situation was so dangerous. Because the planes almost collided. But the author wants to say more than that. The article covers the “how” things went wrong by analyzing the transcript. The write-up doesn’t answer the key ”why” question —- why are existing procedures and training not suitable? Safety-critical systems (including pr…
The author didn't point fingers at anyone. He was explicit that the investigators will do the job of finding out the "why". His tone is entirely appropriate given that, if the FedEx operators had not went above and beyond, we would have seen a mass casualty event at Austin's airport.
Accusing the author of blaming individuals is rather silly when you're rushing to blame training/procedures/the system.
Re: ‘Confirming we are cleared to land?’ Who said what at Austin
#36The top of the article: > ‘As bad as it gets without body bags.’ > Why the Austin airport situation was so dangerous. Because the planes almost collided. But the author wants to say more than that. The article covers the “how” things went wrong by analyzing the transcript. The write-up doesn’t answer the key ”why” question —- why are existing procedures and training not suitable? Safety-critical systems (including pr…
OK, I've replaced the title with the first subtitle, which may not cover the entire article but at least is more accurate.
Re: ‘Confirming we are cleared to land?’ Who said what at Austin
#37was wondering what it looked like from a side angle and found a 3d animation of the incident from CBS news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlAuteLjnm0
Planes don't land like that. And 75 ft is a lot closer than shown.
Re: ‘Confirming we are cleared to land?’ Who said what at Austin
#38So I am neither a pilot nor an aviation geek, but to me it looks like, besides heavy fog, two things happened. (1) control misjudged the approach time for FedEx. 3 miles out is - what? - a minute and a half, at best at approach speed? (2) control did not expedite a takeoff for southwest so they took their sweet time rolling onto the runway and accelerating. At this day and age it is bewildering to see all of this run…
The Southwest crew here is also to blame, they knew a plane was on short final to their runway in terrible visibility and for some reason took their sweet time taking off.
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#39Wow, reading that audio transmission log was pretty intense. Someone's losing their job for sure
What if there's pressure from airlines to reduce late flights and increase the amount of traffic airports can handle resulting in ATC cutting margins on separation? Would it really be the controller's fault if their job performance is dependent on getting planes into the air as quickly as possible?
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#40I'm curious in this situation if there was a TCAS warning.
Me too. Usually the pilots will mention it if they receive an RA, though. I think TCAS might even be disabled (or nerfed?) at low altitudes like this -- not positive, though.
From what I've read, it sounds like this airport is not equipped with the ATC-equivalent of TCAS -- which I think would have been sounding all kinds of alarms (how early?) in the tower for a scenario like this.