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Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by ren_engineer »

partiallypro wrote: post #18

I think there is a genuine concern that Google could overreact and launch a half-baked product in pure panic of being left behind or one upped by Microsoft. There is also a fear, I think, that the ChatGPT integration with Bing/Edge could not go all that smoothly. I think it could be game changing in many ways, but I can also see both of these falling apart. Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Siri were thought to be g…

>I do think there is unique break here though, because I feel that SEO has so thoroughly ruined search in many regards that this -could- be the right moment for this.

the problem here is monetization, will search even be profitable if LLMs are used for most queries? It might become a Uber/Lyft or food delivery situation where these companies aren't really able to profitably deliver the service. I don't see many people paying a subscription for search and there's no way governments will allow "native" advertising within answers without them being signaled as ads, which would hurt trust in responses

Microsoft might not care and just see it as a way to hurt Google's money printing machine and operate Bing at a loss or break even. Google Cloud and workspace are finished without Google's ad money funding them and Microsoft Azure and Office would gain

Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by vkou »

partiallypro wrote: post #18

I think there is a genuine concern that Google could overreact and launch a half-baked product in pure panic of being left behind or one upped by Microsoft. There is also a fear, I think, that the ChatGPT integration with Bing/Edge could not go all that smoothly. I think it could be game changing in many ways, but I can also see both of these falling apart. Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Siri were thought to be g…

> half-baked product

I'll make a 30,000 ft observation that LLMs, by definition, are half-baked bullshit generators. They can be useful, but they are full of warts.

Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by dougmwne »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #20
mort96 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We fact check search engine results all the time. But most of the time, such fact checking is in the form of looking at a result, considering whether it seems like a credible source, seeing if multiple credible-seeming results have the same answer, etc. Getting a completely untrustworthy, unsourced response seems worse than useless. Google has been going this way for a while, with its instant answers or whatever, but…

We're slow-motion singing on to a future with a fundamental shift to receiving information in a completely opaque manner. A few sources will control the information we get in a much more direct and extreme way than now, that conscious skepticism will no longer be able to defend. Whatever handwaved promises we get now will be gone ten years from now. If there wasn't such a gee-whiz coolness factor about conversational…

Oh please. As if the reputation of any news outlet even matters anymore. They all fired their real journalists and fact checkers long ago. Everything you read is full of inaccuracies, agenda pushing and misinformation. If you think it doesn’t, you’ve been had.

Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by didgetmaster »

partiallypro wrote: post #18

I think there is a genuine concern that Google could overreact and launch a half-baked product in pure panic of being left behind or one upped by Microsoft. There is also a fear, I think, that the ChatGPT integration with Bing/Edge could not go all that smoothly. I think it could be game changing in many ways, but I can also see both of these falling apart. Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Siri were thought to be g…

I wonder if Microsoft's Bing/Edge/ChatGPT integration will go any better than its attempt to marry NTFS and SQL Server (i.e. WinFS)? Spoiler: that didn't go as planned!

Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by rsynnott »

blakesterz wrote: post #5

Everytime I see someone finding something wrong about these things, I am reminded of Stoll in '95 https://www.newsweek.com/clifford-stoll-why-web-wont-be-nirv... He also had some similar things in Cuckoo's Egg. I wish I could find the quotes, but there was something about email not working all the time and therefor pointless to use. I'm glad people are finding all the flaws in ChatGPT and the LLM things now, but won'…

> but won't much of this be fixed as it gets better?

Not necessarily, no. There's a large aspect of garbage in, garbage out, to these things.

> when it's clearly a game changer in its present form

Is it? What's the game? Being wrong about telescopes?

Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by jug »

mort96 wrote: post #10
michaericalribo wrote: post #3

This is a great illustration of the risks of LLMs. As a user, if I am asking this question to a search engine, I definitely do not expect to need to fact-check the results. That's the whole reason to use the search engine in the first place! We're about to enter a dark ages of crappy AI products that are touted as game changing, outcompeting each other to be the best chatbot that can compose haiku about how grapes tu…

We fact check search engine results all the time. But most of the time, such fact checking is in the form of looking at a result, considering whether it seems like a credible source, seeing if multiple credible-seeming results have the same answer, etc. Getting a completely untrustworthy, unsourced response seems worse than useless. Google has been going this way for a while, with its instant answers or whatever, but…

For the record, the “New Bing” AI results will not be unsourced but with key facts in sentences tagged in Wikipedia style, pointing towards the source URL. Finally, below the reply there will be a domain summary for an overview but where each domain name is clickable to get to the respective articles on said domains.

In this case, Bing AI will operate very differently from ChatGPT.

Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by [deleted] »

ren_engineer wrote: post #31
partiallypro wrote: post #18

I think there is a genuine concern that Google could overreact and launch a half-baked product in pure panic of being left behind or one upped by Microsoft. There is also a fear, I think, that the ChatGPT integration with Bing/Edge could not go all that smoothly. I think it could be game changing in many ways, but I can also see both of these falling apart. Amazon Alexa, Google Assistant and Siri were thought to be g…

>I do think there is unique break here though, because I feel that SEO has so thoroughly ruined search in many regards that this -could- be the right moment for this. the problem here is monetization, will search even be profitable if LLMs are used for most queries? It might become a Uber/Lyft or food delivery situation where these companies aren't really able to profitably deliver the service. I don't see many peopl…

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Re: Google's Bard shows incorrect information in its launch ad

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Post by jeffbee »

advisedwang wrote: post #2

There was a lot of stories like "Webb captures it's fist ever picture of an exoplanet" [eg]. My guess is that it's digesting those and not understanding that the "it's" in that sentence is critical. Here is a prior example of an exoplanet picture: https://esahubble.org/images/heic0821a/ [eg] https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/09/01/nasas-webb-takes-its-...

I can't tell from the tweet why the Bard response is wrong. Is it because some other instrument has taken an image of an exoplanet, or because no instrument has ever done so? ChatGPT seems to believe it is the latter.
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