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Re: Stable Attribution

#31

This appears to be just looking for the nearest neighbors of the image in embedding space and calling those the source data. This by definition would find similar looking images, but it's not strictly correct to call it attribution. To some extent all of the training data is responsible for the result - as an example, the model is also learning from negative examples. The result here may feel satisfying, but it's ove…

Yea it feels misleading. I think finding attribution is genuinely a hard problem and a solution in this space would be valuable.

I don't think such a solution can work just based on the resulting image though. It probably needs to input prompt to have any chance of working.

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#32
Very nice initiative but undermined by the fact that it doesn't give attribution. Only asks for providing one and depends on the honesty of the users about that.

Maybe just do reverse image search in google for the first approximation of attribution?

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#33

This is a great website, but not in the way the authors intended. Based on some of the examples they explicitly provided, it is clear to me Stable Diffusion creates novel art. Here's a random example https://www.stableattribution.com/?image=a2666aee-0a1a-411b-... I will admit this is a nice tool for verifying the creations of SD aren't pure copies, so I think it will be useful for a time. But as AI-generated images s…

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What's a camera to you?

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#34

I was taught to paint by instructors, and then refined my abilities by studying paintings of the old masters, right down to their brushwork and core techniques visible in the paintings to all who see them. Now I go and create a painting called Sunflowers. Does Van Gogh's estate own some of my work?

Basic answer is no because Mr Van Gogh is long dead and any copyright he ever had is now expired. But let’s say he only died a few weeks ago.

Otherwise, it depends what the sunflowers you painted look like. You’ve seen the work that it is alleged you copied, so stuff that looks a lot like copying is assumed to be copying, roughly speaking. If you produced a work that reproduces substantial elements that were original in Van Gogh’s work, then Van Gogh has a case in copyright infringement. That can include the overall composition of the painting, some particular brushwork, etc. Techniques are not protected by copyright (that is generally the domain of patents, but afaik there are no extant patents on how to use a brush), so you can copy the techniques as much as you like, as long as you are not copying actual brushstrokes to reproduce the painting.

Copyright is concerned fundamentally with the degree to which you are stealing the market for the original work. It was created to allow authors etc to profit off their hard work, rather than labour for years writing a book only for someone else to make all the money from selling it. The existence of copyright makes it possible to make money despite the fact that copying someone else’s work has always been easier and cheaper than making something new. You could spend ten years writing a book, and it would take someone a day to print a copy, and twenty other printers could do it and none of them would pay you… so why would you write a book in the first place unless it were a political/religious pamphlet? To guide your interpretation of copyright, think about the degree to which you are stealing a market for Van Gogh paintings. If you produce a very close replica, then yeah, you are stealing some of the market. Photographing the painting and selling prints does the same thing. Producing something close from scratch without reference to the original is absolutely fine, if there is no copying then there is no infringement. The copyright statute just doesn’t want you stealing Van Gogh’s market for his own works using the crutch of copying his stuff, and through no original effort of your own.

Obviously AI art is a huge problem for this fundamental goal, because it hides the copying that it does. Someone selling a copy of your book without a license is easy to identify. AI art lets you take some art you like, launder it a bit, and then use it in your marketing materials without the original artists being able to notice the infringement and sue you for it. Fundamentally it is like money laundering, the same way AI data analysis has often been used for laundering human biases. That’s a huge problem and really subverts the entire intention of copyright. It steals the market and hides it at the same time.

You can also see how using an AI tool to launder images is just copying with a small amount of original human labour curating the input works. You can have some credit for your labour picking them, but you can’t really pretend the source images’ copyrights just disappear. The only issue is which humans are owed royalties. There’s a lot of debate going on about whether computers doing art is just like painters studying, just like you said, but if you analyse it as the laws do only in terms of the humans involved, you have a bunch of artists, and someone operating a lever labelled “mix these paintings so nobody can recognise my IP theft” that will vastly outpace their production and steal 99% of the market very quickly. It’s the invention of the printing press all over again.

If the copyright laws are too difficult to apply (eg an AI painting is such that it has laundered away any ability to pick out which bits infringe a human’s original painting used as input) then rather than everyone throwing up their hands and admitting defeat, the laws will probably change to better serve their original purpose. For example, AI paintings may have to pay royalties to every single artist used as input regardless of whether individually identifiable instances of copying are visible in the output.

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#35
I gave it a photo I had Stable Diffusion 1.4 generate from the prompt "avatar for saurik". If you dig through the CLIP database, you will find that the model was trained on a ridiculously large number of copies of my Twitter profile photo due to it being included when people screenshot popular tweets I've posted (which, notably, also means that it is rather low resolution).

https://www.stableattribution.com/?image=e89f1e94-067b-4ab8-...

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1434747464/square_400x4...

Given that I only said "saurik" and SD came up with something that not only looks more than quite a bit like me but is more than quite a bit similar to the pose of my profile photo, I'd say clearly that photo would be one of the most important photographs in the database to show up when asking "which human-made source images were used by AI to generate this image"...

...and yet, whatever algorithm is being used here--which I'm guessing is merely "(full) images similar to this (full) image" as opposed to "images that were used to make this image"--isn't finding it; which, to me, means this website is adding more noise than signal to the discussion (in that I think people might learn the wrong lessons or draw the wrong conclusions).

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#36
What a gorgeous site. Love the aesthetic and the idea!

In Who Owns the Future, Jerron Lanier proposes that the only path to an economy with a sustainable middle class not ruled by Google and Facebook is through this kind of attribution and subsequent micro-royalties. It's a fascinating read

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#38

Am I the only person who looks at this and thinks, “So what?” I mean it’s technically impressive, I guess. But why would anyone care or pay for this product?

I suppose it depends on how much you care about attribution for art.

"We" (as in the internet at large) already didn't care about attribution. Half of Instagram/Youtube/Tik-Tok and approximately 99% of Reddit was already reposted content with no attribution or backlinking.

Re: Stable Attribution

#39

Am I the only person who looks at this and thinks, “So what?” I mean it’s technically impressive, I guess. But why would anyone care or pay for this product?

It's a nice way to find human artists that create images in the donain you are interested in. To commission some work ... or just to refine your prompts.

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#40
Yes, this doesn't use attribution techniques like influence functions or Shapley values that are popular in machine learning research, but I am pretty convinced that even a nearest neighbors search is better than the current baseline offered by "AI art systems": shrug our shoulders and say nothing about the role of human-created training data in producing the outputs.

As far as I know, nobody is even thinking about doing the very expensive experiments needed to get ground truth data for formal attribution techniques in the generative AI context (for a given prompt, retrain your model so you can see how the output changes when a particular training example or group of examples is omitted or added), so we're nowhere near building true attribution systems for these very large models. Centering the training data will be net good for public discourse on the topic.

That said, I see why people want to push back on some of the language used here.

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