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AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s a show about nothing. Or rather, it’s a Sitcom where they take mundane things in everyday life and obsess over them comedically. Some people find it doesn’t withstand the test of time and if you never saw it in the 90/00s you might not really care for it.
Besides being adopted by the marketing for the show, "show about nothing" was never really accurate. It was lifted from when George pitched the show-in-a-show (season 4's running plot). Especially in the earlier seasons, what Seinfeld is about should be apparent: There's a little standup skit performed by Jerry Seinfeld, with the usual ridiculous circumstances you'd hear in a standup skit. The episode that follows sh…
As a longtime fan of Seinfeld I found that very insightful and accurate. Thanks
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
#33So, recently, I accidentally stumbled into an almost bottomless pit of romantic comedies on an amazon prime "channel" called PixL. It has a ridiculously large quantity of low-value sort-of-OK content that all kind of bleeds together if you squint.
I watch a lot of TV/movies, and it is mostly something to deal with me feeling lonely (which is probably a bad thing to fix, actually: better I get so sad that I quit computers and go into the real world to find another person... but that's a more fundamental problem).
I have long said that what I really want are 3-star movies, as I am really just using the people in the movie to tie up the tiny bit of my brain that tries to process the existence of people to be less lonely: I don't want it to be so bad as to be frustrating or so good that I actually want to watch it, as that would be distracting.
The problem, though, is it feels more like being at an airport or on a street than around your classmates or friends: people come and go and you never get to know them that deeply, as a movie is only an hour and a half.
Watching multi-season TV shows thereby works a lot better against being lonely, and I think a lot of people essentially use sitcoms like this: they have seen the show a million times and continue to watch it on repeat as part of their brain has established a parasocial relationship with the characters.
But, the problem I have doing that, is that watching the same content on repeat also causes this sense of deja vu and gives the world an air of implausibility. It is fun to be there for the new stuff, but hearing the old stories again doesn't convey the same feeling of "this is happening" (as false as we all know even that is ;P).
But so now like... generating an infinite amount of content for a pseudo-sitcom that is maybe even just sort of OK--as that's what the AI can manage to muster up until the end of time--might frankly be fine, as I'm not trying to really watch it anyway?
It then just needs to be close enough to what my subconscious expects out of a person so that I get the feeling of "I'm watching these people I pretend to know" (though it would be interesting if one's subconscious is better at deciding it is all fake than one's consciousness is ;P "thankfully", TV is already a bit fake).
And, so, maybe it works better if instead of being a new lame sitcom it is a lame extended universe of a great sitcom (such as Seinfeld), so you will have already watched it actively enough to train your own brain that these are people in your life who matter to you and then it is easier to use the seasons of that sitcom to fine tune an AI into generating more content in that same genre / story for you to begin spending the rest of your life not really exactly watching an infinite stream of generated extended seasons.
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
#34So, would anyone like to take a stab at the stack/process/setup enabling this? Because I seriously wouldn't even know where to start.
i dunno how they do the animations. Haven't watched enough to see if it repeats, or it is generated dynamically. The script is probably written by just asking chatGPT (for a script). Might even have some prompts that seed the script. Then the output of the chatGPT is fed into a TTS (text to speech) and played. I think the laugh track is randomly played (or played in between different scripts that GPT generates). And…
For the animations, they could probably write it with traditional artificial intelligence. It's as simple as having events that trigger based on whos talking, such as sit on couch, walk over to kitchen, wave hands while talking, etc.
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#35I saw the name "Seinfeld" a thousand times here and there on the web. But never looked it up. Now I took a peek for the first time. First video that pops up is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYgFmP03biw So it is something like Al Bundy? A soap opera? If someone makes an Al Bundy version, it certainly should be called "AI Bundy".
Seinfeld was the first good sitcom. The only good thing about sitcoms is that there are only like 5 good ones, so you won’t waste too much time watching them.
There where several good sitcoms, but they don’t age very well.
Watching say Simpsons season 1 now just hits very different than when it first aired.
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
#36So, would anyone like to take a stab at the stack/process/setup enabling this? Because I seriously wouldn't even know where to start.
Probably it's just a little unity world with a visual filter, some models and movements that those models make, and then you train GPT-3 by giving it the API of what scenes, actions, and camera angles are available, and have it generate those in combination with a script and laugh tracks.
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
#37I saw the name "Seinfeld" a thousand times here and there on the web. But never looked it up. Now I took a peek for the first time. First video that pops up is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYgFmP03biw So it is something like Al Bundy? A soap opera? If someone makes an Al Bundy version, it certainly should be called "AI Bundy".
It’s a show about nothing. Or rather, it’s a Sitcom where they take mundane things in everyday life and obsess over them comedically. Some people find it doesn’t withstand the test of time and if you never saw it in the 90/00s you might not really care for it.
It’s a show about nothing.
It's a classic comedy of manners, a style as old as the hills.
The "show about nothing" spiel with the implied "which is completely original and has never been done before" was true in it's demarcation from traditional sitcoms based around forced scenarios but always complete rubbish with the latter intention and a brilliant marketing line.
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
#38So, would anyone like to take a stab at the stack/process/setup enabling this? Because I seriously wouldn't even know where to start.
In their Show HN post they mentioned some bits about the tech stack: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33833645
The visuals are rendered in Unity (I guess in real time), maybe their models spit out dialog including stage directions?
Other links related to the show: https://linktr.ee/nothingforever
Re: AI Generated Seinfeld runs 24/7 on Twitch
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
i dunno how they do the animations. Haven't watched enough to see if it repeats, or it is generated dynamically. The script is probably written by just asking chatGPT (for a script). Might even have some prompts that seed the script. Then the output of the chatGPT is fed into a TTS (text to speech) and played. I think the laugh track is randomly played (or played in between different scripts that GPT generates). And…
For the animations, they could probably write it with traditional artificial intelligence. It's as simple as having events that trigger based on whos talking, such as sit on couch, walk over to kitchen, wave hands while talking, etc.
Right, it might be possible to have chatGPT produce a set of movement scripts that run as part of the text of the show.
Tho i would imagine trying to get that working is a lot more work than just randomly choosing a set of pre-animated videos. I suppose if the video doesn't need to sync with the text, then you can create a large bank of them, and choose based on keywords from the text.
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#40People who find this interesting might also find the work being done recently by The Companion--a service that specializes in providing fan service (writers panels, behind the scenes stuff, etc.) for popular science fiction content--with some researchers from Google and the showrunner of Stargate on extended episodes for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.
So like, the "obvious problem" with this content for Seinfeld is the "acting" (care of the TTS engine) sucks. Honestly, are the scripts bad? Maybe, sure! But actors actually do a job that can sometimes be ignored by filling in all of the subtle details that make the character the character and even then make awkward interactions suddenly "work".
In the extended work from the Google AI on Stargate, what they did was get some people from the actual cast of the show to be willing to do a table read of the AI-generated scripts (and the AI was then told to limit what it generated to using the actors they had).
And OMG sometimes it was hilarious nonsense and yet it was FUN, because the actors were kind of trying to make it all work, and they were able to lean on their backgrounds doing those characters for a decade and all of the hard-ish stuff of comedic timing but also the easy-ish stuff of how a basic human interaction works.
When we get to the point of being able to have AI actors easily pull off some of those things--having text to speech that infers enough context to know the correct emotions to apply in addition to the appropriate timing and stress as opposed to merely the correct pronunciation (which is always where we seem to be working, practically)--this stuff is going to rock, and it will be scary how well even shitty scripts do (as it isn't like many sitcoms--not saying Seinfeld, but you can easily scrape the bottom of the barrel on formulaic shows people have pumped out--have very good writing to begin with).