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Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by comprev »

thinking4real wrote: post #7
dangwhy wrote: post #5

yeah we had people join with different person interviewing for them. We now have a policy to take a screenshot of person's face during interview and compare them to person who joins. We've busted a bunch but a whole lot have slipped through the cracks.

Companies save your image without your permission and then companies are simply baffled why people don’t want to be in video calls!

It's not unreasonable to ask the candidate permission to either record the video interview, or at least have their camera on for 20s while a screenshot is taken.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by brianwawok »

mr337 wrote: post #23
ryandrake wrote: post #18

I agree all those other things are annoying/fraudulent, but... > recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) I don't think I've ever heard a reasonable objection to this, assuming 1. the person's second job is not with a competitor, 2. they…

I was thinking the same thing. Unless you know the situation of the employee, working to get them fired from both jobs can seriously put them in a bad financial position + loss of benefits, especially medical benefits. If they aren't happy with that just terminate employment. To go after them to get terminated from both jobs is just being an asshole. > We applaud low income service workers who bust their butts workin…

I mean, good.

My employment contract has right on there that all outside employment will be disclosed. And because I pay salary, I am expecting that all of your efforts will go towards my job.

Try to lie and hold two jobs? I will 100% fire you, and get the other place to fire you. In fact I have done this once myself as well.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by brianwawok »

JonChesterfield wrote: post #27
stumblindrunk wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why?

Because I like US working hours and working remotely and live in Europe.

So as a European you have a right to all American jobs? I just want to make sure that is what you are after.

Last time I checked as an American I did not have a right to all German or England jobs..

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by mirekrusin »

ryandrake wrote: post #18

I agree all those other things are annoying/fraudulent, but... > recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) I don't think I've ever heard a reasonable objection to this, assuming 1. the person's second job is not with a competitor, 2. they…

You can't have 2 full time jobs at the same time and be for real.

You can say you'd like to perform work for two different companies and negotiate your working hours and conditions with both.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by mirekrusin »

mesozoic wrote: post #25
ryandrake wrote: post #18

I agree all those other things are annoying/fraudulent, but... > recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) I don't think I've ever heard a reasonable objection to this, assuming 1. the person's second job is not with a competitor, 2. they…

Yeah kind of scummy to get them fired elsewhere too. CEOs and board members do this all the time but god forbid middle class try to get ahead by working hard.

The difference is in hiding the fact and being transparent/disclosing it. Are you seriously saying you think it's fine to not disclose one or more other full time jobs you're doing at the same time while working remotely as developer?

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by NullPrefix »

mirekrusin wrote: post #34
ryandrake wrote: post #18

I agree all those other things are annoying/fraudulent, but... > recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) I don't think I've ever heard a reasonable objection to this, assuming 1. the person's second job is not with a competitor, 2. they…

You can't have 2 full time jobs at the same time and be for real. You can say you'd like to perform work for two different companies and negotiate your working hours and conditions with both.

Some CEOs manage multiple companies and their work hours can add up to 80 per week

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by mirekrusin »

NullPrefix wrote: post #36
mirekrusin wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't have 2 full time jobs at the same time and be for real. You can say you'd like to perform work for two different companies and negotiate your working hours and conditions with both.

Some CEOs manage multiple companies and their work hours can add up to 80 per week

Are they hiding this fact? Do you think their compensation is unrelated to how many other jobs they're performing at the same time?

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by NullPrefix »

brianwawok wrote: post #33
JonChesterfield wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I like US working hours and working remotely and live in Europe.

So as a European you have a right to all American jobs? I just want to make sure that is what you are after. Last time I checked as an American I did not have a right to all German or England jobs..

You have a right to job??

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by simplotek »

thinking4real wrote: post #8

Ironically, in my last job hunt I encountered several fake jobs/companies I learned to filter out indian hiring people because 100% of them started a conversation demanding “updated resume”. I noticed even if I said the one I submitted was most recent they would still demand I send another. Clearly trying to get more data from me. Other than that we’re several positions at companies which couldn’t be validated, inter…

> Ironically, in my last job hunt I encountered several fake jobs/companies

I'm under the impression that most job ads out there are actually fake job ads, or ads from companies who have no job and/or no immediate plan to offer one to any candidate. We have HR types trawling candidates for their CVs to build up impressive-looking portfolios to showcase as who they have in store for candidates, and use that to catch potential customers.

Re: Ask HN: Fake Job Candidates?

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Post by trieste92 »

mesozoic wrote: post #25
ryandrake wrote: post #18

I agree all those other things are annoying/fraudulent, but... > recently we dismissed developer after discovering he was working (also full time) at another company (we coordinated termination on both sides - I'm not even sure if it made him without work or just removed 2 out of N jobs) I don't think I've ever heard a reasonable objection to this, assuming 1. the person's second job is not with a competitor, 2. they…

Yeah kind of scummy to get them fired elsewhere too. CEOs and board members do this all the time but god forbid middle class try to get ahead by working hard.

> but god forbid middle class try to get ahead by working hard.

It only works as long as it's a niche behavior, because if not the system will adjust and it'll inflate the supply of labor

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