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Is remote work bad for the economy?

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Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

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I don't know if it's bad for the economy. It's certainly made my world smaller in a way probably not experienced by my parents for example. On a weekly basis, ranked by frequency I see - my wife, my dog, my mailman, and the attendant at the gas station. Past that I can't quote a regular person I interact with on weekly basis.

That's a choice you are making. You could go to the gym, take a class, wework, meet friends, visit family, grab coffee at a cafe, or a dozen other social activities.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#32

i’ve been working remotely for a decade and i’ve never been happier. i also suspect that the population being happier is no doubt bad for corporate profits.

Happy people typically don’t spend as much money trying to drown their sorrows in consumer crap, food, and drugs.

No, but hungry people who don’t want to get dressed and leave the house will order a quick meal on Uber Eats at twice the cost of getting it in-person.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#33
post #9

Maybe dollars spent at local restaurants isn't the metric we should be optimizing for?

Maybe those restaurants can simply move to residential areas. People still eat lunch. Regardless we don’t manufacture buggy whips to keep the buggy whip businesses afloat either.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#34

The author's answer to the title question seems to be: No. Which I agree with. If the answer was "Yes" however, I would question if that's even a bad thing to begin with. If our economy is reliant on people driving to an office and spending their money at a restaurant, then our economy is pretty terrible to begin with.

Spending money at restaurants is great, way better than everybody sitting at home eating their own lunches. I suspect massive adoption of restaurants would be more efficient too, if we cared about that primarily. Inner city areas full of people chatting in restaurants and cafes at lunchtime and after work are the best. > Then you get these articles about how unhealthy life is in the city. You know; mobile phone tumou…

Whose economy are we talking about though? I mean I understand what you're saying but most people I know still prefer eating at home most of the time and going to restaurants occasionally, mainly because meals out cost 3-10x as much as eating at home, unless you start every meal from scratch. this is really important for families.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#35
post #6

I don't care what it does to the economy. The only people against remote work are middle managers fearing for their future and building owners afraid of losing out on rent money. I have been working remotely for 5 years and I will retire and live in a cardboard box before I commute and work in an office again.

If you can retire as a rash reaction to being asked to be physically present for work, cardboard box threat notwithstanding, then you are way overpaid (assuming you are under 60).

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#36

The author's answer to the title question seems to be: No. Which I agree with. If the answer was "Yes" however, I would question if that's even a bad thing to begin with. If our economy is reliant on people driving to an office and spending their money at a restaurant, then our economy is pretty terrible to begin with.

Spending money at restaurants is great, way better than everybody sitting at home eating their own lunches. I suspect massive adoption of restaurants would be more efficient too, if we cared about that primarily. Inner city areas full of people chatting in restaurants and cafes at lunchtime and after work are the best. > Then you get these articles about how unhealthy life is in the city. You know; mobile phone tumou…

> Inner city areas full of people chatting in restaurants and cafes at lunchtime and after work are the best.

It's fun, but spending time with my kids is the best.

> I suspect massive adoption of restaurants would be more efficient too, if we cared about that primarily.

Not sure I agree - I can whip up an inexpensive, healthy, and satisfying meal with food from the supermarket in less time than it takes to walk a couple blocks to a restaurant.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#37

I don't know if it's bad for the economy. It's certainly made my world smaller in a way probably not experienced by my parents for example. On a weekly basis, ranked by frequency I see - my wife, my dog, my mailman, and the attendant at the gas station. Past that I can't quote a regular person I interact with on weekly basis.

You could make a conscious effort to visit friends, or even coworkers. I also count my video conference interactions as interactions with people, because they are. Frankly I consider interacting with you interacting with a person because you are. But I also grew up with BBS’s and Irc friends the world over and some of the most enduring friendships are irc friends that we’ve moved into a private signal group together. We’ve been close friends for 32 years. I can’t point to a high school or other “regular person” friend that I’m that close to. I don’t feel like I’m socially impoverished. But if god wanted me to have “regular person” friends he wouldn’t have made me a programmer.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#38
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post #6

I don't care what it does to the economy. The only people against remote work are middle managers fearing for their future and building owners afraid of losing out on rent money. I have been working remotely for 5 years and I will retire and live in a cardboard box before I commute and work in an office again.

> middle managers fearing for their future and building owners afraid of losing out on rent money You forget the business owners who fear they'll lose direction of the work. It's not so much whether you put in the hours at home, but whether your work is directed towards a common goal. Remote work requires a higher degree of communication, and some business owners don't possess the skill or interest to maintain out-of…

I'm glad you included that last line. I agree with you that managing a remote team or running a remote business has challenges that an in-person one doesn't. (I've been running AutoTempest with an all-remote team for almost 14 years now.) Managers who rely on the 'butts in seats' heuristic will struggle a lot with managing remote employees.

However, the opportunities are also massive. For one thing, the owners/managers get to work from home too, which I certainly wouldn't give up! You can also hire from anywhere, which is huge in terms of finding talented people. Most importantly though, I think, all the things you need to do to manage a remote team effectively are things you really should be doing anyway. Yes, maybe some of the communication would be face to face instead of Slack or whatever, but for the most part if you're managing well, it's not going to be too hard to translate that to a remote environment. It's about actually knowing what people are working on, not just making sure they're putting in the hours. Knowing the goals of the team, and the individual goals of the team members. Fostering communication and collaboration (whatever the medium). And then continuously reviewing and refining the processes by which you do all those things.

Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#39
post #6

I don't care what it does to the economy. The only people against remote work are middle managers fearing for their future and building owners afraid of losing out on rent money. I have been working remotely for 5 years and I will retire and live in a cardboard box before I commute and work in an office again.

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Re: Is remote work bad for the economy?

#40

i’ve been working remotely for a decade and i’ve never been happier. i also suspect that the population being happier is no doubt bad for corporate profits.

I think you should consider more than your own happiness, we're talking about the economy, this includes local markets, hairdressers, restaurants, municipal areas, parks, etc. There is a pull that cities have, that includes being in close proximity to people who earn a bit more, greater foot traffic, activities, and shops, among millions of other things I guess if you want to sum up everyone else who was a part of th…

why should I care if city restaurants and hair dressers get my money? There are local restaurants and hair dressers in my small town "satellite" city that need the work as well.
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