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Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by kitsunesoba »

smoldesu wrote: post #22
jchw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to add even more of a wishlist, but in addition to moving towards a Wayland environment, it would be nice to see an immutable root as well. SteamOS on deck has sold me on this concept; as long as there's plenty of escape hatches and the ability to disable it, I view it as a plus, and no doubt it makes updates excellent. These two features would make Elementary OS the very obvious recommendation for anyone curi…

As a NixOS user I'll generally agree, as long as there are still options for people who want to use Pantheon on a more traditional OS. Immutable roots are cool, but feel like a novelty when so much software breaks under it. Great to have as an option for sure though. > Hopefully by the time it is, NVIDIA's driver will have better stability with Wayland compositors. I think Nvidia's support is pretty much complete. Pl…

Hoping that mutter rewrite comes sooner than later. Currently running GNOME on a Fedora/Nvidia box and it's frustrating to lose features like Night Light when running Wayland with proprietary drivers, as is the glitchiness of Electron apps under GNOME+Wayland+Nvidia (for instance, VS Code is a flickery mess with that setup).

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by dualboot »

Information that wasn't quickly groked from their website but some digging(thanks Wikipedia) revealed.

It's based on Ubuntu LTS, so a Debian-descendant.

I appreciate they're trying to provide a specific type of experience, and it's not really a criticism but as a 30+ year Linux user -- with any new distro that's my first question.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by pacifika »

Elementary reimagines the desktop experience which can take a few days getting used to, however once you do it does a lot of things consistently and intuitively. So much more responsive than macOS and with nice apps, on top of Ubuntu LTS HWE kernel.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by gradExMachina »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #18

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Perhaps you are thinking of Skewomorphism as opposed to Flat design?

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by smoldesu »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #31
smoldesu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a NixOS user I'll generally agree, as long as there are still options for people who want to use Pantheon on a more traditional OS. Immutable roots are cool, but feel like a novelty when so much software breaks under it. Great to have as an option for sure though. > Hopefully by the time it is, NVIDIA's driver will have better stability with Wayland compositors. I think Nvidia's support is pretty much complete. Pl…

Hoping that mutter rewrite comes sooner than later. Currently running GNOME on a Fedora/Nvidia box and it's frustrating to lose features like Night Light when running Wayland with proprietary drivers, as is the glitchiness of Electron apps under GNOME+Wayland+Nvidia (for instance, VS Code is a flickery mess with that setup).

Here's hoping. Things are much smoother on KDE for me, the developers really hauled ass to get the Plasma session working nicely. As of 5.26, I think the only remaining major issue is that it doesn't keep track of monitor configuration, which is due to be solved in 3 weeks with the release of 5.27.

I got Electron apps working nicely by forcing GPU acceleration, but even still I prefer to use the web versions of Discord and Spotify. Firefox has really nice Wayland support, replacing most of my Electron apps besides VS Code and Obsidian.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by pacifika »

segaboy81 wrote: post #28

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

If you find gnome too ugly and kde not opinionated enough then this is worth a try.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by phaedryx »

segaboy81 wrote: post #28

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

My kids like it better than any other distro. I've donated a bit of money from time to time because that's what my kids use.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by bravetraveler »

Longhanks wrote: post #26

> Sideloading apps and using alt stores like Flathub is a major feature of elementary OS and a competitive edge over closed platforms that only let you install apps from a locked down store. Unless elementary suddenly competes with iOS, I don’t know which platform they’re actually referring to, all while actually regressing the experience with Vista-style "are you sure" dialogs. Their dark pattern compelling you to "…

I think they're taking a dig at Canonical with the Snap-fu. I'm not very well informed, but I've seen/heard some drama about it

Slimy way to say 'we have Flatpak' [like every other distribution]... including the one they hope to take a shot at

This project tears me. I want to say good work, but we don't need more fragmentation. Pantheon doesn't really need such a 'fork'

That, with the longstanding dark pattern for donations... and I can't help but feel worse for having been reminded

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by kitsunesoba »

smoldesu wrote: post #24
dlivingston wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me very much of Aqua [0]. To be clear, I like that design style, but it is clearly true that it went "out of fashion" 10+ years ago. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_(user_interface)

IMO, GNOME 3's version of Adwaita was evocative of the old "Platinum" UI for Mac. Very clean and professional, and aged much better than Aqua for my money.

GNOME 3 Adwaita had some commonalities with Platinum, but in comparison it's a bit too bright in light mode and has much worse information density with how hard it leans into margins and padding.

In those ways I think Elementary's theme is a bit more similar to Platinum. It's not nearly as afraid of mid-grays and while it still has a lot of padding, it's less excessive than Adwaita's.

Re: Elementary OS 7

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #19
RussianCow wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way? I haven't used Gnome in a few years, but it seemed very similar to macOS and Windows last time I tried it.

Rather than macOS, as a long time Mac user I actually find GNOME most similar to iPadOS. It's almost exactly what one would get if they were asked to turn iPadOS into a desktop OS.

Which part is similar?
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