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Coffee does not give you energy, it just borrows what you will pay for later

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Re: Coffee does not give you energy, it just borrows what you will pay for later

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Post by albert-thomas »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #28

Am I the only one who finds that this doesn't actually match reality? Caffeine gives me energy/awakeness and I don't find that I am "paying" for it later. Maybe (to keep torturing this dubious analogy) it's a negative interest rate, so in other words, I'm paying for it later, but it's not noticeable compared to the benefits of caffeine?

I think if they end up "paying for it later", they were running on empty. The only time I've had that happen is when I hadn't eaten enough and my blood sugar dropped afterwards as a result.

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Post by Llamamoe »

LoganDark wrote: post #32

Are there really people who need caffeine to function, or are they just addicted?

There absolutely are, generalized fatigue is one of the most common and least treated health problems. Undiagnosed sleep apnea and UARS are in particular extremely common.

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Post by 8n4vidtmkvmk »

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #25
8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you overdo it on the booze I think. 1 or 2 is enough to give me a light buzz with no hangover/regret.

Good for you but there's a lot of us out there who need a bit more. It'd been nice to have a less harmful substitute a la vaping replacing smoking. Coincidentally, I had some ativan the other day for a dental procedure and the after effect was near ideal. Too bad it can't be taken so lightly.

A bit more to get buzzed or too enjoy yourself? You shouldn't feel sick if it's quality beer and you stop before you get plastered. And you drink enough water.

I hear "gummies" are a good alternative. I think that's a different kind of feeling but I wouldn't know.

Re: Coffee does not give you energy, it just borrows what you will pay for later

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Post by virtualritz »

courgette wrote: post #36
kornhole wrote: post #11

And drinking alcohol is borrowing happiness from tomorrow. Today is my payback day, and it sucks.

No, that’s MDMA. Alcohol would be pure raw joy from tomorrow.

"In the days immediately following MDMA use, many users report experiencing negative after-effects, such as low mood and anxiety, sleep disturbances, or memory problems, known colloquially as the ‘comedown’ or ‘mid-week-blues’.

However, the role of MDMA in these effects is unclear, as other factors associated with a night out, such as alcohol consumption, sleep deprivation and disturbance of circadian rhythms, and poor nutrition and hydration, can be major contributors.

In contrast, only a small minority of people taking pure, measured doses of lab-grade MDMA in the daytime report experiencing negative physiological and psychological symptoms in the three to five days post-drug."

Quoted from https://www.beckleyfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12...

That PDF has sources for these statements. They match with my own experience micro-/minidosing MDMA. I never had any post use blues.

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Post by dns_snek »

virtualritz wrote: post #37
courgette wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that’s MDMA. Alcohol would be pure raw joy from tomorrow.

"In the days immediately following MDMA use, many users report experiencing negative after-effects, such as low mood and anxiety, sleep disturbances, or memory problems, known colloquially as the ‘comedown’ or ‘mid-week-blues’. However, the role of MDMA in these effects is unclear, as other factors associated with a night out, such as alcohol consumption, sleep deprivation and disturbance of circadian rhythms, and po…

This may be true for responsible users who practice harm reduction, but it won't hold for habitual users or even occasional users taking 2-5x the recommended "safe" amount, which is extremely common with MDMA. You could make similar arguments for almost any drug, most of them will result in worse and longer lasting side effects when they're used habitually or in high doses. I think GP's assertion is generally valid, most MDMA users aren't responsible and there's a lot of work to be done on the harm reduction side of things.
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