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Re: Hyperrealistic Deepfaked Tom Cruise in a Coffeeshop

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Post by tgv »

arrrg wrote: post #14
tgv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before we asked “was that recorded in analog or digital?” Then we stopped asking. Very few people did, and the consequences of that are incomparable. But I'm afraid your idea of commodity/ease of use will make much of the media AI mediated (at least). And like analog/digital, nobody will notice the difference.

What do you mean by saying that the consequences of not always asking whether something was recorded in analog or digital are incomparable? Asking that question seems relatively irrelevant to me, especially now that pretty much everything is at some point converted to digital anyway, if only for ease of distribution. In that sense filming on film, for example, is only an aesthetic choice and a choice about the tools…

In the sense that not knowing whether it's analog or digital doesn't alter the information. It's the source plus some noise; our eyes and ears perceive more or less the same, the interpretation is identical. But an AI-mediated video can invent or change the information in ways we we're not equipped to deal with. In that sense, you cannot compare analog-digital vs original-artificial.

Re: Hyperrealistic Deepfaked Tom Cruise in a Coffeeshop

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Post by Dracophoenix »

hahajk wrote: post #23
williamtrask wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’ll be fine. Keep in mind that the world has run on handwritten signatures for a few hundred years. And anyone could say anything in a letter with no “pixels” to prove it right. Digital media as strong evidence has been a novelty. If anything the real thing to watch out for will be the echo of national digital ID. This would certainly solve the mild/moderate issues of deepfakes while (if done poorly) risking a seri…

I wonder if having all this "strong evidence" has caused us modern people to lose the social norms and relationships that people had to depend on back when human trust was more important. Like, good fences make good neighbors but what happens when all of a sudden the fences don't work anymore and we have to be good neighbors without them? I'm guessing an uncomfortable transition period at least.

The social norms of yore were not established by trust, but by the expectation of violence, real or perceived, should one decline to practice them.

Re: Hyperrealistic Deepfaked Tom Cruise in a Coffeeshop

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Post by Nevermark »

arrrg wrote: post #14
tgv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Before we asked “was that recorded in analog or digital?” Then we stopped asking. Very few people did, and the consequences of that are incomparable. But I'm afraid your idea of commodity/ease of use will make much of the media AI mediated (at least). And like analog/digital, nobody will notice the difference.

What do you mean by saying that the consequences of not always asking whether something was recorded in analog or digital are incomparable? Asking that question seems relatively irrelevant to me, especially now that pretty much everything is at some point converted to digital anyway, if only for ease of distribution. In that sense filming on film, for example, is only an aesthetic choice and a choice about the tools…

Hard to remember, but the entire chain of recording, editing, distributing and broadcasting media was entirely via analog formats and analog handling.

When digital media first became an option, it was often not as high quality.

And since digital was easier to manipulate, it was often viewed as less trustworthy as it got better & better.

We stopped worrying about the manipulation of digital when its quality advantages became so great that digital was pervasive.

At that point, all media was digital and easily editable, so digital was no longer a red flag.

The truth of digital media was considered based on its sources, confirmation from second sources, etc.

Digital no longer meant less trustworthy because everything was digital.

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We are going through those same stages with AI media.

Easy to do many things with AI now, but the results are often awkward or slightly odd.

As it gets better we have greater trouble trusting what AI produces.

But soon everything will be so easily editable, enhanceable, etc. via AI, so basically everything will be.

And the veracity of content will rest again, on sources, etc.

AI itself won’t be a red flag of manipulation anymore, because everything will involve AI.

Re: Hyperrealistic Deepfaked Tom Cruise in a Coffeeshop

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Post by toomuchtodo »

smusamashah wrote: post #34

Please notice the direction of eyes. This guy is never looking at the girl. Eyes are hard.

https://www.polygon.com/23571376/nvidia-broadcast-eye-contac...

https://twitter.com/ActionMovieKid/status/161815521236736819...

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/jan-2023-nvidia-br...

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