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Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by bradknowles »

bradknowles wrote: post #29
1123581321 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, and I’ve no relation to Consumer Reports. I’m not surprised you went for some weird attack there, sadly, after trying to find something wrong with a bog standard app explanation page.

But there was no explanation actually shown there. So there is no valid claim of a standard app explanation page. Perhaps you saw a different page than I did, but there was nothing on the page that I saw that explained anything about the app itself or what it was supposed to do. And there's nothing strange about asking someone if they happen to be the author when they are acting like a shill. When I am presented with…

To be clear, here's a screenshot of the page I saw: https://imgur.com/a/pV4PdSv

What on this page do you find useful? What does this page look like on your device?

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by Terretta »

thrwawy74 wrote: post #22

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2015/01/user-agreement/i... > By transmitting any Communication to the Site, you grant CR an irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, unrestricted, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, reproduce, distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, modify, edit, create derivative works from, incorporate into one or more compilations and reproduce and dist…

This means (a) their comment pages can incorporate your comments and mini bio to show on their comment pages, and (b) the Internet is not private.

They have bad lawyers and bad Chief Legal Officer for allowing this boilerplate in an agreement for an app like this, but these two clauses are less nefarious than they sound.

Technically your writings are copyright by you, so this pairing lets them do whatever with your comments, and display them to others without you coming after them for something.

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by tempodox »

> With a tap, you can tell a company to stop selling your data or to delete your data entirely.

Will they listen or just laugh it off? Besides, making it the individual's job to run around and tell everyone to delete their data is the worst possible way. And who has data on you without your knowledge? How about not collecting all that data in the first place?

Edit for clarification: I'm not criticizing CR, they're doing what they can under the circumstances.

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by buzzerbetrayed »

tempodox wrote: post #34

> With a tap, you can tell a company to stop selling your data or to delete your data entirely. Will they listen or just laugh it off? Besides, making it the individual's job to run around and tell everyone to delete their data is the worst possible way. And who has data on you without your knowledge? How about not collecting all that data in the first place? Edit for clarification: I'm not criticizing CR, they're do…

Don’t let the perfect be the event of the good. CR can’t make companies not collect data to begin with. That requires legislation. With this app, they are doing what they _can_ do.

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by tempodox »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #35
tempodox wrote: post #34

> With a tap, you can tell a company to stop selling your data or to delete your data entirely. Will they listen or just laugh it off? Besides, making it the individual's job to run around and tell everyone to delete their data is the worst possible way. And who has data on you without your knowledge? How about not collecting all that data in the first place? Edit for clarification: I'm not criticizing CR, they're do…

Don’t let the perfect be the event of the good. CR can’t make companies not collect data to begin with. That requires legislation. With this app, they are doing what they _can_ do.

I agree, and I wasn't blaming CR. I thought it would be obvious that it's legislation that is lacking.

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by m463 »

jcoq wrote: post #8
m463 wrote: post #2

I stopped using consumer reports online because they LOST their independence. Their website connected very intimately with the sales channels and they made their money from referrals. This reminds me of apple touting privacy, while simultaneously tracking all your activity with little or no recourse.

> connected very intimately Do you mean hyperlinks? They're not hiding anything: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/about-us/our-partners/co...

I used to subscribe to the physical magazine and I thought they had much higher standards.

They accepted no advertising in their magazine. They bought cars independently, and tested them as customers.

I think their "adaptation" to the internet might have been necessary to survive, but I believe it made them less objective.

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by ilyt »

tempodox wrote: post #34

> With a tap, you can tell a company to stop selling your data or to delete your data entirely. Will they listen or just laugh it off? Besides, making it the individual's job to run around and tell everyone to delete their data is the worst possible way. And who has data on you without your knowledge? How about not collecting all that data in the first place? Edit for clarification: I'm not criticizing CR, they're do…

If they are under reach GDPR they have to if you tell them. No idea whether separate company pretending to be a proxy of you would be listened to

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by ilyt »

gnad_sucks wrote: post #23

Here's something I never see discussed. Assessing one's credit worthiness is naturally a data business. So, unlike for ads where companies knowing more about you has no upside, when it comes to credit the situation isn't as black and white. There's an actual trade-off. I DO want companies knowing how much I make because that's beneficial for me.

In EU your rating will only get lower if you actually don't pay for loans. I don't need to use credit card and pay it off regularly to get low mortgage.

Bank ask about job and income information (for bigger stuff like mortgage) when you get the mortgage, not keep a file with your entire life's of financial information.

Re: Permission Slip: App to take back control of your data

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Post by [deleted] »

Terretta wrote: post #32
thrwawy74 wrote: post #22

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2015/01/user-agreement/i... > By transmitting any Communication to the Site, you grant CR an irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, unrestricted, royalty-free license (with the right to sublicense) to use, reproduce, distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, modify, edit, create derivative works from, incorporate into one or more compilations and reproduce and dist…

This means (a) their comment pages can incorporate your comments and mini bio to show on their comment pages, and (b) the Internet is not private. They have bad lawyers and bad Chief Legal Officer for allowing this boilerplate in an agreement for an app like this, but these two clauses are less nefarious than they sound. Technically your writings are copyright by you, so this pairing lets them do whatever with your c…

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