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Bitwarden Acquires Passwordless.dev

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Re: Bitwarden Acquires Passwordless.dev

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Wow this is really cool. I just tried the example on the homepage, that's magic! No email, username or password. Can someone explain what is happening?

From my loose skim, this seems to be more for UX than anything else: no-clicks account creation and no-clicks login, but there's still account creation and login happening, presumably with a key provided by BitWarden. But websites can start removing the login prompt as an entity to be interacted with.

Re: Bitwarden Acquires Passwordless.dev

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a similar reaction. Acquisitions can be a signal that there's a go-to-market strategy being pursued.

Given that Bitwarden, Inc. is a for -profit company, isn't it expected they would have a GTM strategy.

Well, when the interest rates were zero profit was an after thought and many still do not grasp what a rate like 4% implies.

Re: Bitwarden Acquires Passwordless.dev

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As a recent convert to Bitwarden from LastPass, I start to get a bit nervous when I see acquisitions happening. LastPass getting acquired was the beginning of the end for it, IMO, before stagnating into criminal negligence. Granted this is Bitwarden acquiring rather than being acquired, but I still worry it leads to a trend of building "portfolio value" rather than focusing on the product. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

BitWarden is open source on both ends. So worst case one can self host then fork clients. (Server has already been reimplemented independently.)

This is true, but LastPass proved that by the time the worst case occurs it's already too late. A security breach means, at minimum, redoing all your passwords, and these sites are a very compelling target.

OTOH I wouldn't want to self-host because I know I'm not going to spend the same amount of time and effort a full security staff would, even if my self-hosted box would make a much less attractive target.

It's quite a pickle.

Re: Bitwarden Acquires Passwordless.dev

#36

Could someone clarify what the relationship between passkeys and WebAuthn is? Is it that Passkey is the Apple, Google, Microsoft implementation (commercialization?) of WebAuthn? If so, does it add anything on top of WebAuthn that makes it differ in some fundamental way? Also, are passkeys how WebAuthn is most commonly actually used in practice? Apologies for the noob questions.

(Full disclosure: I work at https://passage.id)

WebAuthn is the short name for the "FIDO Alliance Web Authentication Protocol".

"Passkey" is the trade name (that Apple tries to own) for the "stuff" that results from using the WebAuthn protocol. At it's root, a passkey is really the private key portion of that "stuff" that is kept. So yes, in practice, a passkey is the result of a WebAuthn implementation.

MS, Apple, and Google don't implement WebAuthn. Companies like mine do. Each website out there that wants to use passkeys needs to employ WebAuthn, whether via build or buy. What the "Big Three" do is leverage their OS's and platforms to enable the storage and migration of passkeys within their eco-system. WebAuthn is implemented in their browsers, and they enable the use of passkeys (which websites make happen via implementing WebAuthn).

One thing to note is that the Big Three also make a small adjustment to the WebAuthn protocol to allow passkeys to shared inside their cloud infrastructure. This every so slightly reduces the security of passkeys (which start out as very, very many orders of magnitude more secure than passwords).

You can read about Passkeys here: https://passage.id/post/a-look-at-passkeys

More on WebAuthn: https://passage.id/post/what-is-webauth

Re: Bitwarden Acquires Passwordless.dev

#37

As a recent convert to Bitwarden from LastPass, I start to get a bit nervous when I see acquisitions happening. LastPass getting acquired was the beginning of the end for it, IMO, before stagnating into criminal negligence. Granted this is Bitwarden acquiring rather than being acquired, but I still worry it leads to a trend of building "portfolio value" rather than focusing on the product. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Also Bitwarden recently raised 100M from VC so yeah, the clock is ticking now.

They did? Oh JFC I just switched from 1Password to avoid using a VC backed service. At least there's always Vaultwarden, now all I need is a service I can pay to host an instance for me. ...and to not take VC funding.

https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

Though I fear it’s only a matter of time before the VC gods demand the client apps remove compatibility and they have to be forked too.

Re: Bitwarden Acquires Passwordless.dev

#39

As a recent convert to Bitwarden from LastPass, I start to get a bit nervous when I see acquisitions happening. LastPass getting acquired was the beginning of the end for it, IMO, before stagnating into criminal negligence. Granted this is Bitwarden acquiring rather than being acquired, but I still worry it leads to a trend of building "portfolio value" rather than focusing on the product. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Also Bitwarden recently raised 100M from VC so yeah, the clock is ticking now.

I'm happy for the one dev who's been lone rangering as I hope it means he's finally getting paid, but the pressure is going to be on to get an ROI.
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