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Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#31
Had the same problem due to negative SEO campaigns by naughty competitors. Wrote to Bing Webmaster Tools Support team (https://www.bing.com/webmasters/help/webmaster-support-24ab5...) and after a lengthy process got a response that ”the issue” had been addressed.

It’s been a few months since and my website is indeed back in the search results so I advice whoever is having this problem to reach out to Bing.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#32

You've indicated that you've used Bing's tools to see if your website has been indexed but are silent as to whether you've actually manually submitted your site to be indexed by Bing using their url submission tool [0]. If you do submit the URL and then, after a decent interval, your site still doesn't show up then there might be something to your claim. [0] https://www.bing.com/webmasters/help/url-submission-62f2860…

To be fair, a decade-old SFW blog with 2.2k crawler hits ought to be automatically indexed by any major search engine.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon wants to redefine the term as well but for the purpose of a coordinated witch hunt. People like using shadow ban because it sounds more malicious vs. content that is no longer actively promoted by a company. It's hard to claim you're a victim if the reason is you're just not that interesting or popular.

Well if you are silently placed on a hide list (by manual human intervention without you being able to know without a third party), then by all means that is a shadow ban. Edit for clarity.

"Shadow ban" would be a good term to use for that if it didn't already have a meaning that was different. But it does.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon wants to redefine the term as well but for the purpose of a coordinated witch hunt. People like using shadow ban because it sounds more malicious vs. content that is no longer actively promoted by a company. It's hard to claim you're a victim if the reason is you're just not that interesting or popular.

Well if you are silently placed on a hide list (by manual human intervention without you being able to know without a third party), then by all means that is a shadow ban. Edit for clarity.

No, a shadow ban specifically is designed to mislead you into thinking you are not banned, to delay you attempting to work around the ban.

Regardless of whether you were notified, if you can see that you are banned, it is by definition not a shadow ban.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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Looking around his page, I see some interesting aspects on his atom page: https://daverupert.com/atom.xml First, he sends it with a "content-type: application/xml" header. In contrast to most sites that send it with "content-type: application/atom+xml". Which seems to have the nice effect that it renders in Firefox instead of opening the usual "What should Firefox do with this file?" popup. Secondly, he provides this…

XSLT is a template language where you match snippets of XML using XPath expressions and output... anything else, in this case HTML using templates that can make use of the attributes, inner content, etc. of the captured XML portion. "An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age."

> "An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age."

One of the ideas people had back then was having a product catalog in XML that your tool would give you, and that you could upload to your website and display as a nice website via XSLT.

It was such a fascinating technology when I learned about it, but I’m not sure if it ever saw any serious use? Maybe in enterprise?

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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post #16
post #11

Looking around his page, I see some interesting aspects on his atom page: https://daverupert.com/atom.xml First, he sends it with a "content-type: application/xml" header. In contrast to most sites that send it with "content-type: application/atom+xml". Which seems to have the nice effect that it renders in Firefox instead of opening the usual "What should Firefox do with this file?" popup. Secondly, he provides this…

XSLT is a template language where you match snippets of XML using XPath expressions and output... anything else, in this case HTML using templates that can make use of the attributes, inner content, etc. of the captured XML portion. "An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age."

I would never call XSLT elegant, it is horrible IMO.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#37
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if you are silently placed on a hide list (by manual human intervention without you being able to know without a third party), then by all means that is a shadow ban. Edit for clarity.

"Shadow ban" would be a good term to use for that if it didn't already have a meaning that was different. But it does.

Hence why I said silently. If I’m posting something and it appears to me as usual on my feed but not others, by all means that’s a shadow ban.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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post #29

This is not a shadow ban. A shadow ban is when it appears to you that you are not banned, but from others perspective you are.

Is there also a term for being algorithmically suppressed on a social media platform, I wonder? I.e. a much more subtle, harder to dectect mechanism whereby the algorithms ensure you get some exposure, but never the same as other unsuppressed people would get based on similar activity. Or only exposure to a certain limited subset of the graph based on some metrics (e.g. just your 'friends' so no one points out you ar…

Yes, its called Algorithmic Supression.

That doesn't sound as cool and victimey though.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

#39

This is not a shadow ban. A shadow ban is when it appears to you that you are not banned, but from others perspective you are.

The author is extending the concept to include an inadverted ban. Why would Bing warn him anyways, since there is no user account? Welcome to Cancelbannia.

Re: I'm shadow banned by DuckDuckGo and Bing

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post #29

This is not a shadow ban. A shadow ban is when it appears to you that you are not banned, but from others perspective you are.

Is there also a term for being algorithmically suppressed on a social media platform, I wonder? I.e. a much more subtle, harder to dectect mechanism whereby the algorithms ensure you get some exposure, but never the same as other unsuppressed people would get based on similar activity. Or only exposure to a certain limited subset of the graph based on some metrics (e.g. just your 'friends' so no one points out you ar…

"Automatically downranked/downweighted/penalized" are terms I've heard.
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