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The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by shareme »

cppsnob wrote: post #28

If I remember the numbers, leading up to the WP7 launch, MS dropped roughly 100 million on marketing. They sold less than 100,000 units on launch week. Whatever the exact numbers, I remember someone pointing out it would have been more cost effective to give the phones away for the launch. It's still that way today. They have no mindshare of the public at large, nor the developers, nor the carriers, nor the handset m…

no no no..a game developers do not use the same exact code for both iOs and Android..as the app life-cycle and other things are different enough that its a full port..especially when you consider that the UI is 70% of the code

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by megablast »

jonmrodriguez wrote: post #30
megablast wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope Microsoft do not do well. I would like to see more competition in the mobile OS space, but I do not want Microsoft to be in control of anything ever again. I feel the industry really came to a halt in the decade that Microsoft owned the OS.

Only because Microsoft had a near-monopoly that much resembles Apple today

I am sorry, what? Where is Apple's monopoly, except on mobile industry profits? You have heard of Android and Samsung, right?

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by [deleted] »

shareme wrote: post #31
cppsnob wrote: post #28

If I remember the numbers, leading up to the WP7 launch, MS dropped roughly 100 million on marketing. They sold less than 100,000 units on launch week. Whatever the exact numbers, I remember someone pointing out it would have been more cost effective to give the phones away for the launch. It's still that way today. They have no mindshare of the public at large, nor the developers, nor the carriers, nor the handset m…

no no no..a game developers do not use the same exact code for both iOs and Android..as the app life-cycle and other things are different enough that its a full port..especially when you consider that the UI is 70% of the code

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Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by hugh4life »

cppsnob wrote: post #28

If I remember the numbers, leading up to the WP7 launch, MS dropped roughly 100 million on marketing. They sold less than 100,000 units on launch week. Whatever the exact numbers, I remember someone pointing out it would have been more cost effective to give the phones away for the launch. It's still that way today. They have no mindshare of the public at large, nor the developers, nor the carriers, nor the handset m…

BTW, you're right... the biggest thing keeping Windows Phone 7 back is a C++ development option.

They could also benefit the platform a lot by either backing MonoTouch/MonoDroid hard or come out with their own way of running .Net on those platforms. Oracle has already ported Java ME's JVM to both iOS and Android for running JavaFX applications.

http://drdobbs.com/blogs/jvm/231900029

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by SODaniel »

The new Nokia handsets carrying Windows Mobile 7.5 are nothing short of spectacular! I LOVE mine and it has quickly replaced iPhone and Android handset for me.

I can't wait for Windows 8 and mobile integration myself and feel that picking up some MSFT stock might be very wise for the coming years.

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by glhaynes »

shareme wrote: post #31
cppsnob wrote: post #28

If I remember the numbers, leading up to the WP7 launch, MS dropped roughly 100 million on marketing. They sold less than 100,000 units on launch week. Whatever the exact numbers, I remember someone pointing out it would have been more cost effective to give the phones away for the launch. It's still that way today. They have no mindshare of the public at large, nor the developers, nor the carriers, nor the handset m…

no no no..a game developers do not use the same exact code for both iOs and Android..as the app life-cycle and other things are different enough that its a full port..especially when you consider that the UI is 70% of the code

Many (most? I imagine so) games of any complexity use a game framework, very often one that's cross-platform.

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by vyrotek »

I really want to see Microsoft be successful with this. I was due for a phone upgrade months ago but I'm personally waiting for Sprint to release a new WP7. I really love the phone.

I also thought it was interesting that I recently had a neighbor get his first smart phone ever and he chose a WP7 and he loves it. He made the choice on his own (no other nerds were consulted) which I think is a good sign.

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by bonch »

zmmmmm wrote: post #19

Microsoft won't win with WP7 until they make it in their partners interests for it to win. Google did that by giving them a say in how the operating system looked and worked and a cut of revenue from apps. Microsoft made a nice OS but there is just no reason for either the carriers or the manufacturers to want this OS to win. Right now it is a nice option to have around to keep Google honest and that's about as far a…

Microsoft won't win with WP7 until they make it in their partners interests for it to win. Google did that by giving them a say in how the operating system looked and worked and a cut of revenue from apps.

One counterargument would be that Google is giving its partners a reason to jump ship, because Google is producing branded tablets and phones to compete with its own partners.

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by fjarlq »

jonmrodriguez wrote: post #30
megablast wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope Microsoft do not do well. I would like to see more competition in the mobile OS space, but I do not want Microsoft to be in control of anything ever again. I feel the industry really came to a halt in the decade that Microsoft owned the OS.

Only because Microsoft had a near-monopoly that much resembles Apple today

Apple has a near-monopoly like Microsoft? In what way?

iPhone has only 15% of the worldwide smartphone market, and that share shrank slightly 3Q11 vs. 3Q10.

Meanwhile Android went from 25.3% 3Q10 worldwide smartphone market to 52.5% 3Q11. In one year they doubled their share and tripled their quarterly units-shipped (20.5M to 60.5M).

Source: Gartner, November 2011 http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1848514

And Microsoft still has 92% of the desktop OS market, and holding: http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-shar...

Re: The Critics Rave... for Microsoft?

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Post by colinm »

Could be an intersting year for Win Phones. Nokia has signed up with ST-Ericsson to produce low cost chips, and Appollo (WP8) should be released Q3. I suspect Christmas 2012 will be a much more attractive WP offerings across all price points. Is it too late? I don't think so the oppurtunity for growth in the smartphone market is still huge. Will Nokia try and replace all feature phones with WP8? If Nokia is still capable of pumping out a million phones a day, then things could change fairly quickly. MS & Nokia need to get some momentum rolling this year though.
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