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The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

capableweb wrote: post #4

> In the truck class, the surprise winners [in the 1986 rally] were Giacomo Vismara and Giulio Minelli in the Mercedes support truck for the Honda of Italy bike team. The Dakar Rally is such a crazy event, and that a support team can also win, even if the team they were supported didn't, or even had to retire before reaching the finish line. What others sports could you even achieve something like that?

>What others sports could you even achieve something like that?

Pretty much every off road race where the organizers choose the course so that most of of the finishers podium winds up with crazy upsets like that.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

slim wrote: post #19
capableweb wrote: post #4

> In the truck class, the surprise winners [in the 1986 rally] were Giacomo Vismara and Giulio Minelli in the Mercedes support truck for the Honda of Italy bike team. The Dakar Rally is such a crazy event, and that a support team can also win, even if the team they were supported didn't, or even had to retire before reaching the finish line. What others sports could you even achieve something like that?

Also Mercedes unimog is a beast

It's a road capable tractor (for generous definitions of road capable, nobody who actually gushes over them would consider them fit for road use) that has an internet following.

If the vehicle type were widely useful outside of very few very specific niches it would be prolific and more OEMs would make them.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

sandermvanvliet wrote: post #21
jansan wrote: post #13

Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B. The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta. unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group…

I think the most crazy thing to enter Dakar was the DAF Turbo Twin. https://www.carhutt.com/daf-95-turbotwin-x1/ 2400bhp in a truck… See this video of it overtaking one of the rally cars to get an idea how truly crazy that machine was: https://youtu.be/DDGbtUsTv24

HP to weight isn't really useful beyond the point where you can put it to the ground. Notice how the truck is doing most of the gaining and overtaking in the rougher sections where it can keep better ground contact than the car.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by z303 »

jansan wrote: post #13

Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B. The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta. unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group…

I've been a fan of the 959 since seeing the Tamiya version. I'd love for them to re-release the kit so I can finally own one

https://youtu.be/jtODx2kGq0E

https://tamiyabase.com/tamiya-models/58059

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by glandium »

skywal_l wrote: post #6

Balavoine was a once in a generation talent. He was a great singer but more importantly an exceptional composer right next to Goldman. He died at 36 and still he was able to write so many memorable songs. Lady Marlene is not the most popular but I have fond memories of it.

When I saw the title, without opening the article, my first thought went to Balavoine. 1986 was tough, between the loss of Balavoine and that of Coluche. I was only 8, and they are the only memories I have from that year. (not that I have many memories from the surrounding years)

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by zokier »

Has Dakar spent dramatically more money on (social media) marketing this year? Seems like they are popping up all over the place in a way the didn't in the past... I very much doubt its all organic

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

skywal_l wrote: post #6

Balavoine was a once in a generation talent. He was a great singer but more importantly an exceptional composer right next to Goldman. He died at 36 and still he was able to write so many memorable songs. Lady Marlene is not the most popular but I have fond memories of it.

> Balavoine […] once in a generation talent […] right next to Goldman

That’s a very loose definition of talent you have. There is a reason people think the 80s is a lost decade. We are talking about a terrible period in a country known for the general awfulness of its pop music.

Still a tragic and very unfortunate event.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by zokier »

jansan wrote: post #13

Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B. The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta. unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group…

> Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built

Strictly speaking true; but in practice peak power didn't end up being that critical and rally cars soon became faster even with less power. Also the ultra-high power period only lasted few years, maybe 84-86 or so (modern WRC car produces 380 HP which afaik is more than any 1983 championship competitor)

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by culopatin »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #32
slim wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Mercedes unimog is a beast

It's a road capable tractor (for generous definitions of road capable, nobody who actually gushes over them would consider them fit for road use) that has an internet following. If the vehicle type were widely useful outside of very few very specific niches it would be prolific and more OEMs would make them.

I don’t understand why you’d reply in such a pedantic way and yet not say anything that expands, refutes or seems associated with what the comment you’re replying to said. OP said it’s a beast, not “what a great road truck to take the family on a trip”.

People buy Humvees to drive around by the way.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by zachrose »

zokier wrote: post #36

Has Dakar spent dramatically more money on (social media) marketing this year? Seems like they are popping up all over the place in a way the didn't in the past... I very much doubt its all organic

Not sure, but the Dakar Rally hasn’t involved Dakar, Senegal since 2007. Most recently it takes place within Saudi Arabia.
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