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Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#32

When I first saw the Al Gore headline I immediately thought of South Park and ManBearPig, but that made me think something like southpark (i.e a comedy that's not afraid to get a bit political) might be an excellent way to raise awareness of exactly this issue. Shame the law will probably have passed by the time they make a new season.

It seems likely the people creating South Park (and not just Trey and Matt) would be pro-SOPA. After all, most people in the entertainment sector see it as a threat. (Yes, we may argue that South Park is popular because of the Internet.. but it's entirely likely they'd see it a different way.)

That is possible. However southpark does not usually represent establishment thinking. I remember they did an episode years ago about Napster and they were quite critical of the RIAA position on it.

They would probably have some point like "these laws are bad , but if you don't want people trying to pass them then you should stop pirating stuff"

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#33

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Regardless of the motivation, one might expect that iOS developers for example would make more money with SOPA.

How? with SOPA you are enabling the copyright holders to go after apple's entire distribution center because someone cloned tetris and the owners of tetris came after apple with an infringment claim. This takes down all of distribution not just the clone. Since the distribution is over the internet and name resolution is based on dns this is actually possible. unless apple changes it to be static IP addresses it woul…

The thing with this is I just can't imagine the App store getting shut down because of this, or even youtube.

There would be a serious uproar if that happened, people wouldn't stand for it.

More likely is that some pirate sites will die and others will just go deeper underground. The people who are likely to be scared into shutting up shop all together will be smaller distributors of independent or amateur content.

I would be saddened if the Internet became like the high street circa 1996 with a few large companies and producers setting the agenda for what we will watch and listen to.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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But copyright enforcement needs to get stronger to give creative people a better chance of making a living from their creative work.

Two scenarios that I can see: Without SOPA: Let's pretend that there is an innovative site that is going to be made in a few years that allows people to submit things to it and sell. This site gives some creative person a chance to make a full living. (this is actually happening now in many places) With SOPA: Two options: Site either does not get created at all because of fear of creating sites that might cross SOPA…

Although you could argue that without some piracy control the creative person will just have their content ripped off anyway so can't make a full living.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#36

When I first saw the Al Gore headline I immediately thought of South Park and ManBearPig, but that made me think something like southpark (i.e a comedy that's not afraid to get a bit political) might be an excellent way to raise awareness of exactly this issue. Shame the law will probably have passed by the time they make a new season.

It seems likely the people creating South Park (and not just Trey and Matt) would be pro-SOPA. After all, most people in the entertainment sector see it as a threat. (Yes, we may argue that South Park is popular because of the Internet.. but it's entirely likely they'd see it a different way.)

A quick Googling didn't turn up anything, but I'd be shocked if Matt and Trey supported SOPA. Comedy Central, maybe, but not them.

Allegedly from the South Park Studios FAQ: (http://www.idealog.us/2006/10/matt_and_trey_w.html):

> Matt and Trey do not mind when fans download their episodes off the Internet; they feel that it’s good when people watch the show no matter how they do it.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#37

Shouldn't creative people support SOPA? Is SOPA really a war between creative people and analytical people?

SOPA represents a complete destruction of protections for free speech and due process on the internet. An allegation of wrong-doing is sufficient to trigger the government enforced complete shut-down of a website.

Why should anyone support that regardless of what sort of pretext is used to justify such an abuse of power? Should we round up all single adult males over the age of 40 out of a fear of pedophilia in order to "protect the children"?

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

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No, of the current politicians, Nancy Pelosi is the most notable to come out against it: http://sopaopera.org/P000197/ (entire list at http://sopaopera.org ) I'd also argue that Sen. Rand Paul is more prominent than Ron Paul because he's a Senator...at least in terms of real influence. He's 1 out of 100 votes; a filibuster of the Senate variant of SOPA needs 40 votes.

Senator Ron Wyden has already promised a filibuster for PIPA.

The point is that without 40 more people on his side, they can just shut down Wyden's filibuster as soon as it starts.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#39

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Why? It's not like ripping creative people off through piracy/whatever isn't already illegal...

But copyright enforcement needs to get stronger to give creative people a better chance of making a living from their creative work.

So we should start executing more people in order to make "murder enforcement" stronger? Maybe we should start grabbing people off the street and hanging them to cut down on crime.

Eliminating our civil liberties will not strengthen copyright enforcement. Nor is strengthening protections of intellectual property a sufficient excuse for such.

Re: Al Gore Comes Out Against SOPA/PIPA

#40

When I first saw the Al Gore headline I immediately thought of South Park and ManBearPig, but that made me think something like southpark (i.e a comedy that's not afraid to get a bit political) might be an excellent way to raise awareness of exactly this issue. Shame the law will probably have passed by the time they make a new season.

It seems likely the people creating South Park (and not just Trey and Matt) would be pro-SOPA. After all, most people in the entertainment sector see it as a threat. (Yes, we may argue that South Park is popular because of the Internet.. but it's entirely likely they'd see it a different way.)

Matt and Trey are actually pretty strong libertarians, so I doubt they'd support it on ideological grounds.

Source(s):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Park_Republican

http://www.libertarianism.com/pop_celebrity/trey-parker

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