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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by richbell »

andsoitis wrote: post #12
tazjin wrote: post #3

Reddit's weird setup where essentially random people who were first "own" entire categories (= subreddits) of discussion is totally absurd.

What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

The problem this is that historically a person will create a subreddit, add other moderators, and then vanish. The other moderators will build up the community and culture of the subreddit, and then one day years down the road the top moderator returns and decides they want to make unilateral changes that the actual moderators are powerless to contest.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by hbn »

benjaminbachman wrote: post #2

The only real news here is that Reddit mods are power mad tyrants, which is nothing new at all. AI generated art has just given them newer, funnier ways to be in the wrong.

The amount of great discussions I've seen shut down because a moderator removed the post on some stupid minor infraction is infuriating.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by [deleted] »

WFHRenaissance wrote: post #26
andsoitis wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

After a subreddit reaches a certain size voting tokens should be used to elect officials to run the subreddit. Quadratic voting with your vote ratio being a derivative of your activity on the subreddit to mitigate bot voting, et cetera.

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by MrNeon »

geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

Nothing is being stolen, get a grip.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by jaywalk »

teekert wrote: post #18

What does it even matter how art is created? It's the same with banning ChatGPT from StackOverflow: Who cares and who notices? Art is either evoking some feeling or not and it's different for everybody. An answer on SO is either helpful or not. Who cares how it was written? ChatGPT can easily say something more helpful than me, stable diffusion can easily make something I'd rather have on my wall than Da Vinci's Mona…

It shouldn't matter how it's created. But some artists are pissed off that AI can generate art that people like, so they want to ban it.

I don't think the average person cares at all.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by onion2k »

teekert wrote: post #18

What does it even matter how art is created? It's the same with banning ChatGPT from StackOverflow: Who cares and who notices? Art is either evoking some feeling or not and it's different for everybody. An answer on SO is either helpful or not. Who cares how it was written? ChatGPT can easily say something more helpful than me, stable diffusion can easily make something I'd rather have on my wall than Da Vinci's Mona…

If the goal of a community is to share work, critique each others efforts, and enjoy a hobby together, then someone coming along and pretending that they're doing it while they're not is obviously going to annoy people who are genuine.

I see AI-generated art as being similar to taking performance enhancing drugs in sport or using something that's against the rules in motorsports. Outsiders don't really care because they just see someone performing at the same level of the others by using clever tech, but if you're part of the group then you will care much more.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by habibur »

DethNinja wrote: post #23
geraldwhen wrote: post #4

The hilarious irony is that the AI is quite possibly copying the authors older work if it was published on an image sharing site like Reddit or deviant art. Lawsuits need to destroy these models stolen from the public.

This is a common misconception. AI is not copying anything. It is studying the images in a similar way that humans do. Entire size of the stable diffusion model is around 6gb, with pruning it goes down to 3gb. Training set is in terabytes. So it is common sense that no copying is done. I think artists need to be fair about AI, is there any artist that created their style without ever studying other artists? That is h…

Trained on 5 billion images to create a 6 GB model. Every image contributed no more than a few bits of information.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by Sharlin »

teekert wrote: post #18

What does it even matter how art is created? It's the same with banning ChatGPT from StackOverflow: Who cares and who notices? Art is either evoking some feeling or not and it's different for everybody. An answer on SO is either helpful or not. Who cares how it was written? ChatGPT can easily say something more helpful than me, stable diffusion can easily make something I'd rather have on my wall than Da Vinci's Mona…

Well, the temporary ban at SO is entirely justified. They already saw the influx of massive amounts of new answers, generated by ChatGPT, that are essentially spam and make everybody worse off. Even if 90% of the answers are perfectly correct, that leaves the 10% that are wrong, sometimes in subtle ways. And because the submitter of those answers is only parroting what ChatGPT wrote, they probably won't be available for further discourse, or to amend the answer they submitted.

The biggest problem with ChatGPT is that when it's wrong, it's confidently wrong and cannot quantify its uncertainty in any way (maybe it's too human-like in that respect...) Furthermore, the whole idea of a reputation economy collapses if reputation becomes "too cheap to meter".

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Post by unshavedyak »

teekert wrote: post #18

What does it even matter how art is created? It's the same with banning ChatGPT from StackOverflow: Who cares and who notices? Art is either evoking some feeling or not and it's different for everybody. An answer on SO is either helpful or not. Who cares how it was written? ChatGPT can easily say something more helpful than me, stable diffusion can easily make something I'd rather have on my wall than Da Vinci's Mona…

Well in this case, it's the artists who care. Ie the person at risk being "replaced". Yes, ML is not there yet to actually replace artists, but we all see the writing on the wall.

I'm a software dev attempting to learn art. I recently joined Mastodon related to this purpose and it's quite the hot topic there. Many, many artists pissed about how their work is being used to train corporate profits as well as potentially undermining their living/passion/etc. I've actually seen some cool art in protest of "AI"... usually involving malformed hands which the artist community have gravitated towards being the representation of current AI capabilities.

I think it matters how it is created, personally. Not because the author of an individual piece of art is important to me, but rather because once AI moves into a problem space and can effectively and accurately "solve" that problem space the displacement of humans will be surreal. How it affects people is the important thing to me. I'll be interested to see how we manage to recognize this reality as AI improves.

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