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Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by nimbius »

pkulak wrote: post #10

Break the terms of service, get mad and write a blog post. It's not even hidden in some legalese; they tell you not to serve majority image/video content _everywhere_ in the UI. All my tunnels are still running great, for free. I could not be happier.

this assessment is reasonable, but not productive.

- Read your terms of service, contractual responsibility and liability for all services. as a leader, youre authoritative and liable for shareholder and corporate risk.

- What you do after the fact is just as important --if not more-- than what you didnt do before. Channel this outrage into action, identify the problem, and countermeasure it to ensure future success.

- Risk is an isotope, do not concentrate it all into one single provider/platform/service or its criticality will prove a detriment to your business. You can mitigate it, accept it, or delegate it, but it cannot be ignored.

- if the product is for free, its likely the roles are reversed. re-evaluate your needs and understand whether youre a consumer, or a product and if this shift in roles aligns appropriately with risk and compliance in your industry. Do not assume the coffee is free.

Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by cmeacham98 »

Alifatisk wrote: post #2

Cloudflare, to me, is seen as worlds largest mitm.

"mitm" strongly implies Cloudflare is somehow unauthorized, like they're slipping in and hijacking the connection.

I know why Cloudflare detractors use this type of intentionally misleading language, but can we maybe say something like "worlds largest _proxy_" that is more accurate?

Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by vlunkr »

pkulak wrote: post #10

Break the terms of service, get mad and write a blog post. It's not even hidden in some legalese; they tell you not to serve majority image/video content _everywhere_ in the UI. All my tunnels are still running great, for free. I could not be happier.

> they tell you not to serve majority image/video content _everywhere_ in the UI

Do they? I'm looking at the docs related to proxy and CDN and I don't see anything.

Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by kayodelycaon »

furyofantares wrote: post #16

I read the terms before signing up with cloudflare for any of my sites, and it was quite clear it's not meant to be used as an image proxy > 2.8 Limitation on Serving Non-HTML Content > The Services are offered primarily as a platform to cache and serve web pages and websites. Unless explicitly included as part of a Paid Service purchased by you, you agree to use the Services solely for the purpose of (i) serving web…

Iirc, Cloudflare offers image caching through their CDN service.

So it’s not like they don’t allow it at all. You just need to pay for it.

Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by mynameisvlad »

londons_explore wrote: post #25

They should just be upfront... "If your service uses a disproportionately large amount of any of our resources for the amount of revenue it generates, we will ask you to either pay extra or leave. We'll try to give you a notice period to leave, but in extreme cases the period will be very short or none at all". Then the TOS should give examples of common things that trigger use of this policy, for example running an…

They are extremely upfront about this:

> 2.8 Limitation on Serving Non-HTML Content

> The Services are offered primarily as a platform to cache and serve web pages and websites. Unless explicitly included as part of a Paid Service purchased by you, you agree to use the Services solely for the purpose of (i) serving web pages as viewed through a web browser or other functionally equivalent applications, including rendering Hypertext Markup Language (HTML) or other functional equivalents, and (ii) serving web APIs subject to the restrictions set forth in this Section 2.8. Use of the Services for serving video or a disproportionate percentage of pictures, audio files, or other non-HTML content is prohibited, unless purchased separately as part of a Paid Service or expressly allowed under our Supplemental Terms for a specific Service. If we determine you have breached this Section 2.8, we may immediately suspend or restrict your use of the Services, or limit End User access to certain of your resources through the Services.

Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by lexx »

jsnell wrote: post #6

So how much bandwidth were you using, and what proportion of it was images? Like, is it a obviously cut and dry case or is there actually some ambiguity? (There's some very good reasons to leave terms a bit vague rather than specified exactly, but then you probably wouldn't expect enforcement in cases that are ambiguous.)

We are a really small business. We have a headless CMS. We just use media for Content purposes. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by mschuster91 »

sidcool wrote: post #20
pkulak wrote: post #10

Break the terms of service, get mad and write a blog post. It's not even hidden in some legalese; they tell you not to serve majority image/video content _everywhere_ in the UI. All my tunnels are still running great, for free. I could not be happier.

Genuinely curious. Why does Cloudflare prevent that?

Because the large carriers make a ton of money by extorting their clients (ISPs and data centers) with absurd data interchange pricing. Some like Deutsche Telekom are even worse, they charge both their residential and mobile customers as well as anyone trying to peer with them.

That's partially also the reason why the extremely large players like Google and Facebook have built their own sub-sea fibre lines. Utter madness.

Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by [deleted] »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #23
jsnell wrote: post #6

So how much bandwidth were you using, and what proportion of it was images? Like, is it a obviously cut and dry case or is there actually some ambiguity? (There's some very good reasons to leave terms a bit vague rather than specified exactly, but then you probably wouldn't expect enforcement in cases that are ambiguous.)

Tell me one web site where images and video doesn’t count for most of the size. The time of 35k image on a 50k text page is long gone.

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Re: Ok, Cloudflare I am leaving

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Post by superasn »

I feel amazon cloudfront is a much better option for an image proxy. Takes less than a minute to setup, offers automatic ssl and dozens of caching endpoints. Also super easy to automate with AWS cli. Even optimizes for streaming videos. I have never had any issues with them.

You can check the AWS calculator to figure out the pricing based on your average bandwidth. Depending on your use case you may be paying less than a Cloudflare pro account.

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