It says all documents and summaries are deleted after 24 hours, but are the contents of the documents incorporated into a model? I'd imagine for some kinds of legal documents (say those under a court's protective order) this would present issues.
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also would want a lawyer to take a look. Hence the note saying to talk to a lawyer. ;) The reality is, even knowing what to ask a lawyer can be difficult and it's not economically viable to ask a lawyer to summarize a 100-page legal document into text you can wrap your head around. Detangle just helps give some clarity so that you can further a conversation with a lawyer, or even just ask for clarification from the…
> even knowing what to ask a lawyer can be difficult That's the lawyer's job, to guide you through ! If they're not doing that, then find a different lawyer. The whole point is we are talking about legal document review here. Reviewing legal documents necessarily involves an active discussion with a lawyer, it is not something you can turn up with pre-prepared questions for.
That's true, but you still should (try to) be prepared. Meeting with a lawyer will go much more smoothly if you have at least a rudimentary understanding of the subject matter, rather than having them explain everything to you from first principles.
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#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also would want a lawyer to take a look. Hence the note saying to talk to a lawyer. ;) The reality is, even knowing what to ask a lawyer can be difficult and it's not economically viable to ask a lawyer to summarize a 100-page legal document into text you can wrap your head around. Detangle just helps give some clarity so that you can further a conversation with a lawyer, or even just ask for clarification from the…
Question: how much would it cost to consult a lawyer about a 100 page document? How does one even go about doing something like this? I've never really needed to do that, so I'm genuinely curious.
You call a lawyer up, tell them what you need, and the lawyer will either give you an estimate, or agree to a cost, and send you an engagement letter.
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#34I work through a bunch of contract documents reissued with a just a few changes. I need a service that would identify what the changes are instead of me going through each document and reading it over again Or doing a comparison of previously issued documents with this one.
Interesting, what is your job? Contract lawyer? do you work in biglaw or in house counsel? or a vc firm?
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#35It says all documents and summaries are deleted after 24 hours, but are the contents of the documents incorporated into a model? I'd imagine for some kinds of legal documents (say those under a court's protective order) this would present issues.
Are you able to convert the weights of a Neural Network into the training text that adjusted them?
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#36I work through a bunch of contract documents reissued with a just a few changes. I need a service that would identify what the changes are instead of me going through each document and reading it over again Or doing a comparison of previously issued documents with this one.
What do you mean exactly, are you just looking for software that will highlight the differences between two documents? That software exists already.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's the lawyer's job, to guide you through ! If they're not doing that, then find a different lawyer. Yes! And if you happen to know that, and have a good lawyer, then you're all set. But a hell of a lot of lawyers won't volunteer to do this, or aren't competent enough to have this conversation productively with a layperson, and most people don't know to ask for it. I have my doubts as to the practicality, but a…
> competent enough to have this conversation productively with a layperson HUH ? That is literally their job ! Legal document review is bread and butter for lawyers. Having productive conversations with laypeople is what lawyers do all day every day. I really don't get your point. If a lawyer is unable to have a productive conversation with a layperson about a legal document, then they need to be stripped of their qu…
There are plenty of lawyers who are not competent at their jobs, but can be convincing to uninformed laypeople.
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#38Detangle gives you AI-generated summaries of your legal docs so you can understand what you're signing. Here's the YC SAFE, for example: https://detangle.ai/examples/yc-safe
I'm excited to see where this goes because I think it is a cool application of AI. That said, two of the first three paragraph summaries are wrong in this example: > [Investor Name] gave [Company Name] the right to certain shares of its Capital Stock in exchange for [Amount] on [Date]. This is backwards > The Post-Money Valuation Cap is a number that is written in Section 2. This isn't true, the number is here, "addi…
It's anywhere from slightly to very wrong for each section. Pretty cool as a tech demo but definitely should not be used to understand a legal document.
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#39Can this idea be turned on its head to engineer adversarial legal language that sounds reasonable but actually has terrible implications for the signee?
I'm sure it would work with a LLM if you give it a few examples
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#40Can this idea be turned on its head to engineer adversarial legal language that sounds reasonable but actually has terrible implications for the signee?
I've heard that in situations like this courts will usually uphold the spirit and not the letter of the contract (same as eg if you have a typo and add a zero somewhere). Not a lawyer and might be 100% wrong on this.