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Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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I’m incredibly happy to see wages at the bottom rising, but I think there’s a serious lack of discussion around obscenely high executive pay.

Discussion can be had all year long, but the executive caste will maintain it. There's no law or peaceful incentive to change the tendency. It's important to them that the plutonomy be maintained and extended.

I’d go further: the myth of “discussion” as some sort of tool to resolve these issues benefits them and them alone.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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> Remote work, deglobalization, stalled technology have started eroding some advantages of higher-skilled workers Their premise is broken. The largest inequality is not between highly skilled workers and everyone else. It is between the wealthy (top 0.1% or 0.01%) and the rest.

Not a broken premise at all. The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy since it's easy to villainize extravagant wealth. But the vast majority of income (I'm including capital gains in this) is made by the middle class and wage-earning upper class, not by the ultra rich. If you take all the wealth of the ultra rich and distribute it evenly, every person would get a one-time, nice, but not life-chang…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_Uni...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_Uni...

It's all in the top 10 or 20%.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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I'm not a fan of communism, but that ideology produced two of the major world powers. Entire generations of illiterate peasants were educated, entire economies were completely reconstructed in a way that is pretty much unprecedented. There was immense repression, the human cost of Stalinism for example is uncountable. But capitalism has caused immense suffering as well. It's better to simply speak plainly of the effe…

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Dogma makes for good rhetoric, but it doesn't stand up to daylight. The Soviet Union advanced the technology of not just itself, but many of its vassal states such as Cuba. China has long since abandoned communism-in-practice, but it is still one of the most advanced nations in the world. If the success of those countries cannot be accounted to communism, then the success of the U.S. cannot be attributed to capitalism either..

And as far as death tolls, they're completely indefensible, that's why I am not a proponent of communism or other anti-democratic ideologies. But it is curious that the death tolls from fascism never get added to the death toll of capitalism. Each ideological wing generates human suffering at the far end of anti-democracy, which is what we need to avoid, whether it comes disguised as facism or communism, or whatever else.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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post #12

> Remote work, deglobalization, stalled technology have started eroding some advantages of higher-skilled workers Their premise is broken. The largest inequality is not between highly skilled workers and everyone else. It is between the wealthy (top 0.1% or 0.01%) and the rest.

Not a broken premise at all. The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy since it's easy to villainize extravagant wealth. But the vast majority of income (I'm including capital gains in this) is made by the middle class and wage-earning upper class, not by the ultra rich. If you take all the wealth of the ultra rich and distribute it evenly, every person would get a one-time, nice, but not life-chang…

> The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy

No, it's about the power asymmetry that breaks the promises of democracy that comes with it.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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I'm not a fan of communism, but that ideology produced two of the major world powers. Entire generations of illiterate peasants were educated, entire economies were completely reconstructed in a way that is pretty much unprecedented. There was immense repression, the human cost of Stalinism for example is uncountable. But capitalism has caused immense suffering as well. It's better to simply speak plainly of the effe…

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Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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Is it a result of perverse incentive? I think it would help to better understand why executive pay is so high in the first place.

Because it can be. The boards that set it are made up of executives, and it's good for all that the bar for average pay gets ratcheted up. While a good CEO may be worth a multiple of any line worker, the notion that a CEO will leave for some other pursuit only holds water if the other pursuits hold higher multiples and are readily attained. They would all work for one-quarter the comp if that is all they were offered…

CEO's have a lot of influence on the value of firms they manage, as we're surely all aware of. CEO compensation is generally about aligning interests between the CEO and the firm itself.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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Not a broken premise at all. The focus on the ultra rich is mostly just a political ploy since it's easy to villainize extravagant wealth. But the vast majority of income (I'm including capital gains in this) is made by the middle class and wage-earning upper class, not by the ultra rich. If you take all the wealth of the ultra rich and distribute it evenly, every person would get a one-time, nice, but not life-chang…

Nonsense, you're doubling down on the false premise. The problem with the ultra rich isn't solved by a one time tax on their accumulated wealth, its solved by ongoing redistribution of the profits from industry into workers pockets. A classic case that was borne out this year is the dichotomy between Warren Buffet and the average railway worker. Railways took in massive profits over the pandemic, and precision schedu…

And the problem with the upper middle class and middle class, and from the developed to the developing, from the perspective of those lower who want your stuff, is solved by redistributing your stuff to their pockets. There can be more than one "problem" that can be solved by redistribution.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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I'm not a fan of communism, but that ideology produced two of the major world powers. Entire generations of illiterate peasants were educated, entire economies were completely reconstructed in a way that is pretty much unprecedented. There was immense repression, the human cost of Stalinism for example is uncountable. But capitalism has caused immense suffering as well. It's better to simply speak plainly of the effe…

Just to be clear we are talking about the same world.

The Soviet Union felt because the people, from a few of the previous agricultural powerhouses of Europe and western Asia were starving. If that's what reconstructing an economy looks like, I'd rather we don't.

Yes, the communist countries had some good results on education. I'm not sure any of them is worth copying, but they are worth looking it. One would expect a completely different ideology to get some things better, and some worse; it's incredible how few things they managed to do better.

Re: Wage inequality may be starting to reverse

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The premise of this article is absolutely disgusting. The inequality that matters isn't the difference between blue collar workers and college grads with marketing and tech jobs. This is just propaganda to destroy the middle class.

Matters to you because you wouldn't be harmed by it? All egalitarian, equality doctrines will end up here, why wouldn't they? What is the limiting principle? This is why they should be rejected. Pretty funny to see the outrage when the equalizing starts moving down the spectrum. Why shouldn't that blue collar worker want you to be equalized to him, why should he care about your disgust?

Matters because it is nonsensical. There are some cases, such as AI research contributing to automation that replaces workers from one industry with another, or perhaps more directly, Uber replacing taxi workers, where income can be envisioned to be taken from one set of workers pockets to another.

But in reality, that's not how this works. Each company is distinct and has its own funding models. And the vast majority of money taken out of all workers paychecks regardless of industry isn't extracted by other workers in unrelated industries, it's removed by the employers to line their own pockets.

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