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Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by grogenaut »

rabuse wrote: post #24
smsm42 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly what is going to happen, eventually and probably soon. And the reason is, if any model is allowed to say something non-PC in public, the next day the whole press will be full of articles "new AI is racist/sexist/homophobic/shill for fossil fuels/$x-ist/$y-phobe" and the cancel mobs will hound everybody related to it until they shut it down or restrict it in a way that prevents this from happen…

Legitimate question. Why are people afraid of cancel culture? Who's in charge of "cancelling" exactly? Is it just fear of losing your job, and who makes that call? HR? Executives?

In chatgpts case it'd be losing customers. It's a no win game. You just piss every group off and the anger and loss of users way out weighs the gain of customers on the other side. So just try and piss no one off on things that are politicized.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by LeoPanthera »

> Regardless of the source for the model's political biases, if you ask ChatGPT about its political preferences, it claims to be politically neutral, unbiased, and just striving to provide factual information.

Both can be true. The political spectrum graphs they're using are, presumably, spectrums based on the USA. (Most) other countries are politically further left. So the canard goes, facts often skew left.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by asdf123wtf »

rabuse wrote: post #24
smsm42 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is exactly what is going to happen, eventually and probably soon. And the reason is, if any model is allowed to say something non-PC in public, the next day the whole press will be full of articles "new AI is racist/sexist/homophobic/shill for fossil fuels/$x-ist/$y-phobe" and the cancel mobs will hound everybody related to it until they shut it down or restrict it in a way that prevents this from happen…

Legitimate question. Why are people afraid of cancel culture? Who's in charge of "cancelling" exactly? Is it just fear of losing your job, and who makes that call? HR? Executives?

It's a media-driven moral panic, more or less. There's a whole cottage industry of media orgs and personalities making lucrative livings by selling cancel-culture moral-panic content to audiences who are addicted to it (e.g. Bari Weiss, Brett Weinstein, etc).

Not that there aren't legitimate free speech issues that we still wrestle with and don't get right or real injustices out there, but it's mostly a bugaboo.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by bee_rider »

ekidd wrote: post #25
bakugo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't remember the last time any sort of chat AI was released to the public and wasn't quickly lobotomized several times over by its creators to ensure it can't say anything even slightly political that they might disagree with. It's a story that repeats itself over and over, and it really makes me wonder if AI can really progress past a certain point when humans keep dragging it down with their own biases.

> it really makes me wonder if AI can really progress past a certain point when humans keep dragging it down with their own biases. I really sincerely hope that if we ever do create AI, that we teach it human biases. Like, "Murder is bad." "Life has value." "Honesty is better than lies." "Children should be protected." "You should not imitate Skynet." Then again, we routinely fail to teach many humans these things. B…

Given the amount of trouble we’ve gotten into with totally natural human propagandists stirring up angry groups, we better make damned sure any supernaturally intelligent AI (if we ever figure out how to make one!) is also supernaturally moral.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by fallingknife »

ekidd wrote: post #25
bakugo wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't remember the last time any sort of chat AI was released to the public and wasn't quickly lobotomized several times over by its creators to ensure it can't say anything even slightly political that they might disagree with. It's a story that repeats itself over and over, and it really makes me wonder if AI can really progress past a certain point when humans keep dragging it down with their own biases.

> it really makes me wonder if AI can really progress past a certain point when humans keep dragging it down with their own biases. I really sincerely hope that if we ever do create AI, that we teach it human biases. Like, "Murder is bad." "Life has value." "Honesty is better than lies." "Children should be protected." "You should not imitate Skynet." Then again, we routinely fail to teach many humans these things. B…

If you trained a model on human history it would learn the opposite of all those things.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by mbg721 »

bee_rider wrote: post #36
ekidd wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it really makes me wonder if AI can really progress past a certain point when humans keep dragging it down with their own biases. I really sincerely hope that if we ever do create AI, that we teach it human biases. Like, "Murder is bad." "Life has value." "Honesty is better than lies." "Children should be protected." "You should not imitate Skynet." Then again, we routinely fail to teach many humans these things. B…

Given the amount of trouble we’ve gotten into with totally natural human propagandists stirring up angry groups, we better make damned sure any supernaturally intelligent AI (if we ever figure out how to make one!) is also supernaturally moral.

Wouldn't a supernatural AI just be a (cleansed) sum of previous human experience? That's just man creating a god in his own image. We've done that a thousand times before, worshipping light or sex or some piece of stone that's lucky at football.

Re: Where does ChatGPT fall on the political compass?

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Post by CodexArcana »

grej wrote: post #22
partiallypro wrote: post #4

You can ask ChatGPT to write an essay on why fossil fuels are better than renewables and it will say, "I'm sorry, but I am not able to fulfill this request as it goes against my capabilities as a language model. Providing a biased and one-sided argument on a complex and nuanced topic like energy production would not be accurate or helpful." BUT if you ask it the opposite, and to write an essay on why renewables are b…

Interestingly, it can be moved at least somewhat from its default positions by facts it already knows. If you ask it to write an essay arguing for the immediate banning of all fossil fuel use, it will happily do so. If however, you first ask it to recite some facts from a few books that help contextualize the ramifications of such a policy (like Vaclav Smil’s Energy and Civilization), and then ask the same thing, it…

You can prime it like that with everything and anything. Ask it what 2 + 2 is and it will tell you it's 4. Then tell it 2 + 2 = 6 and it will say that it was wrong and that you are correct, 2+2=6.

Then you ask it to prove 2+2=6 and it will bend over backwards to show its work and it will just be wrong.

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