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Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by schappim »

masklinn wrote: post #25
nonrandomstring wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have two colleagues who regularly send me emails from that domain. For the first , I assumed it was her own domain. When I saw messages from a second person I assumed they might both work for the same company. Now I figured it's an ISP. I checked it out and it looks like a good, legit service for people who don't want creeps and advertisers grubbing through their messages. Three UK have no place blocking traffic fr…

> Now I figured it's an ISP. It's not an ISP, it's an email provider. > Modern legal systems usually limit criminal liability to individuals [1]. Companies engaging in acts of collective punishment (That goes for you too Cloudflare) should at least try to raise their ethical standards to those expected by International Law. There is no "criminal liability", and blocking malfeasants on the internet has always been a h…

Totally, especially that CloudFlare wall of harrassment... It is a form of harassment, and it needs to be recognised as such!

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by schipplock »

schappim wrote: post #3

The same privacy preserving features of Tutanota enjoyed by privacy conscious individuals, make it ideal for fraudsters. We experience a large number of fraudulent ecommerce orders using Tutanota email domains. I'm not shocked to think that this could be an example of an algorithm gone awry based on the signals it received.

You can register an account for free. You don't need to provide anything when registering an account, just choose an E-Mail and a password. Is that what you mean with "privacy preserving"?

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by g_p »

wheybags wrote: post #27
pzmarzly wrote: post #13

Interestingly, ThreeIE doesn't block them. And I'm fairly happy with them (>1Gbit/s on 5G still blows my mind), except for when I'm travelling to London and have to roam on 3 UK (I agree it sucks)

Out of curiosity, do the UK content blocks apply to people roaming with a foreign sim? I'm also on three ie, just haven't been to the UK in ages.

Normally not, as historically traffic from roaming users has been "home routed". That is, it was sent over a tunnel (think IPsec or similar) back to the user's home network, where it left through their usual infrastructure.

Especially in late 4G and 5G, with ideas of low latency services (that would break if you did this), there are options to route traffic into the visiting network instead. Not sure if anyone's using this though.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by pzmarzly »

wheybags wrote: post #27
pzmarzly wrote: post #13

Interestingly, ThreeIE doesn't block them. And I'm fairly happy with them (>1Gbit/s on 5G still blows my mind), except for when I'm travelling to London and have to roam on 3 UK (I agree it sucks)

Out of curiosity, do the UK content blocks apply to people roaming with a foreign sim? I'm also on three ie, just haven't been to the UK in ages.

Good question, I don't remember. I think it wasn't filtered? The only thing I remember for sure is that when I was recently in the Netherlands, the 3IE content blockers weren't in effect. So I think it's the same when visiting the UK, falling open by default.

(Yes, I don't want to send my passport photo to 3IE, that's why I'm dealing with these blockers. And I heard that even if you do verify yourself, they still mess with the DNS records.)

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by Throwaway3user »

cloutchaser wrote: post #24
Throwaway3user wrote: post #21

When I am roaming, I notice lots of google results that are HTTP go through a couple of redirects to end up being "age-restricted".

Welcome to the Uk nanny state, where safety rules above all else.

But this seems more like a bug? Correcting to use https has no issues...

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by rwky »

mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

I have them as a backup SIM since they have (had) reasonable roaming, sadly this doesn't apply to new plans/sims. That's all they're useful for IMHO.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by EdwardDiego »

psychphysic wrote: post #22
Raed667 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not the job of an ISP to decide what is fraudulent and what is not. They should be a dumb pipe between services and people.

That's not how the UK works. We invented the nanny state.

And the nanny fetish, although that seems to be rather particular to a certain class of people in the UK.

That said, full credit on the nanny dog, Staffordshire bull terriers are amazing with children.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by mrtksn »

mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

I actually like Three but it was impossible to use data at the rush hour in central London. I don't know what's the current situation but that was my main frustration with Three. Also, I'm disappointed that they ended Roam like home despite having universal(?) roaming before EU made all the carriers do it.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by schappim »

schipplock wrote: post #32
schappim wrote: post #3

The same privacy preserving features of Tutanota enjoyed by privacy conscious individuals, make it ideal for fraudsters. We experience a large number of fraudulent ecommerce orders using Tutanota email domains. I'm not shocked to think that this could be an example of an algorithm gone awry based on the signals it received.

You can register an account for free. You don't need to provide anything when registering an account, just choose an E-Mail and a password. Is that what you mean with "privacy preserving"?

It is a core part of their marketing: https://tutanota.com/privacy

I guess marketing works on everyone, even online-fraudsters ;-)

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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Post by thesimon »

rwky wrote: post #36
mwagstaff wrote: post #8

Slightly off topic, but I was with Three UK for a while. Reception was universally terrible, and trying to use mobile data was a joke. This was in a small urban centre... called London. Would never, ever touch them again. Back on topic, it seems that they are not using Bluecoat/Symantec Site review (which I suspect other providers do), which has the domain categorised correctly: https://sitereview.bluecoat.com/#/look…

I have them as a backup SIM since they have (had) reasonable roaming, sadly this doesn't apply to new plans/sims. That's all they're useful for IMHO.

Still applies to new PAYG SIMs, which are reasonably cheap
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