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Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Wow this currently has 111 points and is sailing to the top of HN... based on a user misunderstanding... Edit: What's more, the person pointing to the solution isn't even the top-voted comment on this thread. Just everyone repeating their usual anti-Apple fixations.

Are Dark Patterns the fault of the user or the company ?

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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You know Apple Music doesn't actually delete your stuff, right?

> You know Apple Music doesn't actually delete your stuff, right?

I don't use Apple Music so can't comment, but the post explicitly says that it does. Perhaps you could explain what part of the post is wrong, or what the poster has misunderstood?

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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post #16

Not that it excuses any of this on Apple's part, but holy shit do people with like a ton of music not realize backups are important? Like seriously buy a NAS of any caliber from anywhere or an external HDD or use dropbox but don't put all your eggs in one basket people. I get that "shit happens" and all, but I don't understand how backups are not more prominently known in tech culture as mandatory for data you care a…

The media is dirt cheap, but doing the backup is fraught. I think only Time Machine actually "solved" that usability problem and frankly kept me on Apple products longer than I would otherwise have endured. I still don't know the right way to backup a Windows 10 machine that doesn't involve hours of research, testing, tradeoffs and probably $$$.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Apple Music includes the old iTunes Match features, so it matches your local library with the Apple Music library if you allow it to do so, and uploads only the songs it can't match. This process is not perfect so some songs might be matched to a different version. Anyway, even if I download a matches song it's DRM free on my Mac, and Apple Music won't automatically delete your local files. But I guess bugs happens,…

Apple Music includes the old iTunes Match features

It does not - it’s a separate subscription, though you can use both at once.

[Edit: maybe I’m wrong? See ensuing discussion below.]

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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post #16

Not that it excuses any of this on Apple's part, but holy shit do people with like a ton of music not realize backups are important? Like seriously buy a NAS of any caliber from anywhere or an external HDD or use dropbox but don't put all your eggs in one basket people. I get that "shit happens" and all, but I don't understand how backups are not more prominently known in tech culture as mandatory for data you care a…

I think it's understandable that someone wouldn't expect to need a backup of their music library. At a bare minimum, I would expect iTunes to keep both versions of a file if an identical one can't be retrieved from Apple servers.

People that care enough to keep a library of music after the popularity of Spotify are the same people to leave the ecosystem permanently when this kind of stuff happens.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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In the case cited in the Reddit link, having files you legitimately own DRMed, replaced, or deleted seems like a pretty clear illegal act. I think the argument could be made that Apple could be charged with something worse than ransomware (since that merely encrypts your files and doesn't change, delete, or prevent them from being used as before once they are unencrypted).

Didn't see your comment before making mine - but yes - I think it is indistinguishable from a ransomware attack in every way except for who is doing it and the fact that unlike cybercriminals to whom you can pay bitcoin to restore your files, Apple will almost certainly refuse and prosecute you for trying to restore your data. So yes, worse than a ransomware attack. I simply cannot understand how big tech companies get away with their behaviour.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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post #16

Not that it excuses any of this on Apple's part, but holy shit do people with like a ton of music not realize backups are important? Like seriously buy a NAS of any caliber from anywhere or an external HDD or use dropbox but don't put all your eggs in one basket people. I get that "shit happens" and all, but I don't understand how backups are not more prominently known in tech culture as mandatory for data you care a…

The “Bitcoin” people have that saying, cautioning people about wallet ownership and the danger of cloud wallets: “Not your keys, not your coins.”

I think we need a clever saying to rattle off every time someone gets burned by relying 100% on a cloud service (either the software screws up user data or suspends their account, without recourse) without backups/alternates.

Not your drive, not your data?

I don’t know, I’m not creative.

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