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IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

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Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#31
post #6

> "The agency is reconsidering its relationship with the contractor Accenture on this project, according to a person familiar." Any time I start to feel that Impostor Syndrome creeping in, I need to remind myself that there's someone who's working at Accenture probably earning 2x or 3x what I am, who gets to fuck up big not once but _twice_ doing the same wrong thing.

You can check how much they're earning: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/accenture/salaries/software...

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#32
post #19

the forms in question are US non-profit declarations 990-T. The same data was released a second time, minus less than 2% of them. There are a lot of dark corners in the USA non-profit world, in case you don't know it. The vast majority (a million?) of USA 990 non-profits are the sort of small time operation you might expect, but there is a tiger of a long-tail on that one. Many major hospitals and the US Football lea…

> US Football league NFL, are "non-profit" This is not true now, and arguably never was (at least not with the intention it's generally applied). The NFL relinquished its tax exempt status in 2015, but even before that the NFL was not a 501(c)(3) but a 501(c)(6) (a trade organization) -- for interests of fairness (proven more necessary recently by actions of the Washington Commanders) the NFL collected ticket moneys…

does a 501(c)(6) file a form 990-T ?

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#33
post #19

the forms in question are US non-profit declarations 990-T. The same data was released a second time, minus less than 2% of them. There are a lot of dark corners in the USA non-profit world, in case you don't know it. The vast majority (a million?) of USA 990 non-profits are the sort of small time operation you might expect, but there is a tiger of a long-tail on that one. Many major hospitals and the US Football lea…

> US Football league NFL, are "non-profit" This is not true now, and arguably never was (at least not with the intention it's generally applied). The NFL relinquished its tax exempt status in 2015, but even before that the NFL was not a 501(c)(3) but a 501(c)(6) (a trade organization) -- for interests of fairness (proven more necessary recently by actions of the Washington Commanders) the NFL collected ticket moneys…

> This is not true now, and arguably never was

you mean to say in your first breath that the 501(c) series of US IRS tax structures are not called "non-profit" but then in the next breath confirm that the NFL was in fact 501(c)(6) ?

I do not say I was "mad" so, let's not include that as a summary of what I wrote, eh?

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#34
post #17
post #6

> "The agency is reconsidering its relationship with the contractor Accenture on this project, according to a person familiar." Any time I start to feel that Impostor Syndrome creeping in, I need to remind myself that there's someone who's working at Accenture probably earning 2x or 3x what I am, who gets to fuck up big not once but _twice_ doing the same wrong thing.

Doesn't Accenture offshore a lot of its work to India and other third-world countries? So the Accenture engineer probably gets paid a lot less than you. Edit: According to Wikipedia, yes: > In 2015, the company had about 150,000 employees in India,[31] 48,000 in the US,[32] and 50,000 in the Philippines.[33] Edit2: s/outsource/offshore, thanks. What I intended was: companies hire Accenture to outsource their developm…

> > In 2015, the company had about 150,000 employees in India,[31] 48,000 in the US,[32] and 50,000 in the Philippines.[33]

Pedantic: Accenture assigning work to their employees in India or the Philippines is not "outsourcing." The work was outsourced when it was handed off from the client paying the bills to Accenture, regardless of where the Accenture employees are located. By definition, Accenture cannot outsource work to their own employees.

"Offshoring" is what Accenture does by having the work done by their employees in lower-cost regions.

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#36
post #34
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Accenture offshore a lot of its work to India and other third-world countries? So the Accenture engineer probably gets paid a lot less than you. Edit: According to Wikipedia, yes: > In 2015, the company had about 150,000 employees in India,[31] 48,000 in the US,[32] and 50,000 in the Philippines.[33] Edit2: s/outsource/offshore, thanks. What I intended was: companies hire Accenture to outsource their developm…

> > In 2015, the company had about 150,000 employees in India,[31] 48,000 in the US,[32] and 50,000 in the Philippines.[33] Pedantic: Accenture assigning work to their employees in India or the Philippines is not "outsourcing." The work was outsourced when it was handed off from the client paying the bills to Accenture, regardless of where the Accenture employees are located. By definition, Accenture cannot outsource…

The reality is that South Asian subsidiaries have a revolving door of employees and are functionally equivalent to the contract labor firms. Their work output isn't any better.

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#37
post #17
post #6

> "The agency is reconsidering its relationship with the contractor Accenture on this project, according to a person familiar." Any time I start to feel that Impostor Syndrome creeping in, I need to remind myself that there's someone who's working at Accenture probably earning 2x or 3x what I am, who gets to fuck up big not once but _twice_ doing the same wrong thing.

Doesn't Accenture offshore a lot of its work to India and other third-world countries? So the Accenture engineer probably gets paid a lot less than you. Edit: According to Wikipedia, yes: > In 2015, the company had about 150,000 employees in India,[31] 48,000 in the US,[32] and 50,000 in the Philippines.[33] Edit2: s/outsource/offshore, thanks. What I intended was: companies hire Accenture to outsource their developm…

> So the Accenture engineer probably gets paid a lot less than you.

Given that roughly 1/3 of Accenture employees are in the US, is there any evidence for you to believe that this was someone outside the US?

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO the resposibility is entirely on IRS. They chose the contractor, they wrote the legal terms and conditions, they vetted them out and they presumably did the due diligence for security.

They also provided them with training, access rights, and general governance over the data. I'd personally blame 70% of the blame on the IRS, 30% on the contractor. Organizations should not be able to skirt blame by way of contractor IMO. Hope the IRS gets fined for gross negligence and breach of data. (lol)

How many non-background-checked foreign employees work at Accenture on this project and have access to all these files anyway?

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

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post #34
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Accenture offshore a lot of its work to India and other third-world countries? So the Accenture engineer probably gets paid a lot less than you. Edit: According to Wikipedia, yes: > In 2015, the company had about 150,000 employees in India,[31] 48,000 in the US,[32] and 50,000 in the Philippines.[33] Edit2: s/outsource/offshore, thanks. What I intended was: companies hire Accenture to outsource their developm…

> > In 2015, the company had about 150,000 employees in India,[31] 48,000 in the US,[32] and 50,000 in the Philippines.[33] Pedantic: Accenture assigning work to their employees in India or the Philippines is not "outsourcing." The work was outsourced when it was handed off from the client paying the bills to Accenture, regardless of where the Accenture employees are located. By definition, Accenture cannot outsource…

Thanks for the correction.

Re: IRS accidentally releases taxpayers’ private data again

#40
post #28

Accenture is the contractor responsible.

My agreement is with the IRS, not Accenture. The IRS is 100% responsible.

I agree with your assessment of responsibility, but it’s not clear the extent that your obligation to the IRS is even an “agreement”.
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