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Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

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Wasn’t nearly as bad as I expected. If you think of the codes as meaningless IDs, there are no problems. The system is unambiguous which is the most important thing. MEL refers to one specific airport and you can know that for sure.

All the problems in the video come from trying to use the letters to guess the areas they refer to. They might be related but they might also not. And that’s fine. Your booking site will let you type the full area name anyway.

Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

#32

Wasn’t nearly as bad as I expected. If you think of the codes as meaningless IDs, there are no problems. The system is unambiguous which is the most important thing. MEL refers to one specific airport and you can know that for sure. All the problems in the video come from trying to use the letters to guess the areas they refer to. They might be related but they might also not. And that’s fine. Your booking site will…

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Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

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#3 has RFML - Refugee Meal. I wonder what that is.

A lot of airlines have done refugee flights at one point or another, so I guess they needed a way to tell the ground crew to load whatever special foods were needed.

What 'special foods' would be needed for refugees?

Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

#34

If you travel and liked wordle - you should try http://airportle.com So much harder. Maddening.

That site doesn’t support https btw, you need to delete the `s` in the scheme to get it to load.

It seems to work with HTTPS perfectly fine, with the HTTP version simply a 301 anyway.

Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

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A lot of airlines have done refugee flights at one point or another, so I guess they needed a way to tell the ground crew to load whatever special foods were needed.

What 'special foods' would be needed for refugees?

If they're famine refugees, something like Plumpy'nut[1] maybe. If they're religious refugees, something catering to their religious restrictions. MREs if the refugee operation is being assisted by a military or disaster aid organization. And so forth.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plumpy%27nut

Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

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I've also wondered why cryptically abbrevated things like NOTAMS are still the way they are. It made sense in a teletype/telegraph world where brevity was worth time and money. From wikipedia, this is a typical NOTAM: A1234/06 NOTAMR A1212/06 Q)EGTT/QMXLC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5129N00028W005 A)EGLL B)0609050500 C)0704300500 E)DUE WIP TWY B SOUTH CLSD BTN 'F' AND 'R'. TWY 'R' CLSD BTN 'A' AND 'B' AND DIVERTED VIA NEW GREEN…

> Pilots have to know how to read and understand this stuff. Only justification I can think of is that like mathematical notation, this shorthand, once learned, is unambiguous and conveys meaning better than prose. I don't know if that's really true though. You're correct. It's straightforward for pilots. They can quickly read a NOTAM and understand everything. Also, it's pretty standard and unambiguous worldwide. As…

This all seems quite reminiscent of when the US National Weather Service used to issue super-cryptic forecast background summaries, and then slowly non-meterologists started building systems to decode them.

Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

#37

The entire world of airline coding (as in "encoding") is fascinating to me: there are all kinds of ancient semi-human-readable formats like ACARS[1] and IATA Teletype[2] that are still pushing data around. Not the mention standard meal codes[3], like BLML for "bland meal" and CLML for "celebration cake meal." [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACARS [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_teletype_system [3]: http…

I've also wondered why cryptically abbrevated things like NOTAMS are still the way they are. It made sense in a teletype/telegraph world where brevity was worth time and money. From wikipedia, this is a typical NOTAM: A1234/06 NOTAMR A1212/06 Q)EGTT/QMXLC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5129N00028W005 A)EGLL B)0609050500 C)0704300500 E)DUE WIP TWY B SOUTH CLSD BTN 'F' AND 'R'. TWY 'R' CLSD BTN 'A' AND 'B' AND DIVERTED VIA NEW GREEN…

Back in 2004 when I was involved in airtraffic control operations, teletype was still there as backup for the PC based solution. Don't know the status 18 years later By the way the software used was based on win3.1 with a secondary partition with Linux and relevant software which was the secondary option as their audience was not accustomed to Linux UI at the time - that is their words

Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

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You're not. GP, did you mean to link to a different video?

I think they meant to link to this one: https://youtu.be/jfOUVYQnuhw

..which is the same video as the thread. Airline codes are a different beast.

Re: The maddening mess of airport codes [video]

#40
Great video, thanks.

So airport codes are no better than "standard" book numbers - ISBNs are not unique, contrary to what one may thing, and, yes, the mantra is "one book, two numbers" because there is "old" ISBN and the more recent "ISBN-13" with more digits.

I started cataloging my home library using the barcodes on the books and pulling the meta-data from Amazon via ISBNs, but ever so often, the cover image pulled was for a completely different book, although the barcode contains a check sum and the Amazon data was not incorrect. The reason? ISBN re-use! (rolling eyes)

This reminded me of the dude in one former company who proposed to reuse UUIDs...

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