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Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

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Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

#31
In addition to what others have said, Safari 5.1 moved to a subprocess model somewhat like Chrome but the change went severely wrong. Memory usage skyrocketed, and speed and stability both took a big dive. After using Safari pretty much exclusively since it was originally released, the awful 5.1 release prompted me to switch to Chrome and I haven't looked back since.

Apple's attention really is turned to the mobile space today, and the non-mobile Safari suffers for it.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

#32
I will give the same answer that many on this page have given, Apple software is horrible on Windows. Safari horrible, Quicktime, horrible, iTunes, the granddaddy of horrible. He really didn't have to go any further with the story, he already answered his own question.

I like the idea of iTunes and open it occasionally but after a day or two of using it, I am reminded of just how bad it really is.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

#33
Browsers are interesting beasts. Sure, you can compete on speed and compatibility with both standards and existing sites, but only to a point. Once you reach that point, then what? Most of the interaction you will have with a browser is outside the control of the browser (i.e. the code of the sites you visit, ultimately, accounts for 95% of your interaction with a browser).

I've found that browsers have become a study in small touches and interesting niches. Firefox, for a long time, had a lock on the "I want to mod the hell out of this" niche. Meanwhile, as trite as it sounds, I couldn't leave Safari for the longest time because I had become addicted to the address bar also showing load progress.

These days, I use Chrome, but not because of speed. I use Chrome because I have become addicted to OpenSearch (the "Press tab to search this site"). Apple's refusal to merge the address bar and search bar used to be forgivable, but it is increasingly becoming a pointless distinction to hold out on (and will cost them market share).

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

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Chrome ruined Safari for me. When I fire up Safari more often than not I end up doing this: http://i.imgur.com/nDk2R.png

http://hackemist.com/SafariOmnibar/

I haven't used this software, but what kind of website that isn't meant to be spam, on loading, changes the web address and breaks my ability to go "back" completely.

Really annoying.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

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The answers are pretty obvious. 1. Chrome is marketed all over the web (and in real life) and bundled through shareware. Google is spending a tremendous amount of money to market Chrome. Apple is not doing that with Safari. 2. Safari is the default in OS X, but OS X is still small compared to Windows. 3. Safari on Windows is not as fast as Safari on OS X, presumably because Apple cares more about one than the other,…

Using John Gruber's publicly reported stats as one data point, Safari commands a majority share on Mac OS X.

I work for a very large (Fortune 500) retailer whose customers are overwhelmingly Mac users. Safari users make up just shy of 50% of all of our traffic, with Chrome accounting for 25%.

I'd guess that's as much because Safari is the built-in, default option on OS X and iOS as it is because Safari is just super awesome. The more interesting thing to me is that all of my (Mac-using)coworkers have switched over (mostly from Firefox) to Chrome, despite Chrome's overall jankyness on OS X.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

#36
People talk about Safari being bad on Windows, but frankly, it offers little reason to use it on a Mac either.

Really, the only thing that prevents Safari from being the "worst" mainstream browser is the existence of IE.

It's not awful. It just pairs mediocre performance with fewer features and lower extensibility.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

#37
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This article arrives at the answer and keeps walking. It points out that most people who have used it think Safari on Windows sucks, but somehow refutes that with the fact that it's only a little slower than Firefox and it's version 5.1. What?

I don't think that's the answer. It sucks on Mac too.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

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The answers are pretty obvious. 1. Chrome is marketed all over the web (and in real life) and bundled through shareware. Google is spending a tremendous amount of money to market Chrome. Apple is not doing that with Safari. 2. Safari is the default in OS X, but OS X is still small compared to Windows. 3. Safari on Windows is not as fast as Safari on OS X, presumably because Apple cares more about one than the other,…

Using John Gruber's publicly reported stats as one data point, Safari commands a majority share on Mac OS X.

Are these stats based on his site's users? If so then I'd expect them to skew towards Apple fanboys, not just Mac users. I use a Mac, but I can't stand to read Daring Fireball. It's like the Fox News of tech blogs.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

#39

Safari's integration of bookmarks and reading lists over iCloud is just such a useful feature to have out of the box. I switched back to Safari just for that. Keeping all my devices in sync is a huge gain over slightly faster rendering times.

Chrome provides similar integrations, except it also can also sync extensions, passwords, themes, and lots of other data, making it very easy to basically carry the same environment with you no matter where you're using it.

Re: Why Hasn’t Safari Skyrocketed Like Chrome Has?

#40
I'm not a big fan of Safari on Mac either; I use Chrome everywhere, and Firefox only if I want to debug something with firebug. I use Safari only if I need a quick way to run a browser with no personalization settings, to see how sites work.
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