I wonder why there isn't a "spotify for books"? We got streaming sites for videos, movies and music, why not a subscription based library?
In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
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Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#32This google search[0] will provide a list of interesting papers about piracy. They seem generally to support what I think is something like the majority consensus here: - piracy does some harm to sales, especially of new books, but can increase consumer knowledge and therefor increase diversity of sales and sales of older works: "effect of piracy is heterogeneous: piracy decreased the legitimate sales of ongoing comi…
What do you mean by the word "institutes" here? First thing that comes to mind is academic and research institutes, but surely piracy doesn't harm them. So you must mean something else?
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#33Naturally their research was also for the most part mediocre or worse. Except one paper that got published in a British journal in the early 00s.
I had the privilege of working with the first author of that paper and asked him how he used to get the papers to read back in the nineties when internet wasn’t a thing in India. Be warned that this university’s library didn’t even have Nature or Science.
His answer was, if there’s a paper they’d want to read, if it’s at least in a fairly prominent journal, they’d money order 15 rupees to the Indian institute of immunology in New Delhi with an ILL request and hope they respond. If they’re lucky they’d get a copy of the article in a few months.
They still did great research for what they were able to afford or read. Great research has always been done when access to articles wasn’t a given. It would be weird to assume that free unfettered access has anything to do with the spread of or lack thereof good scientific knowledge and research.
This is not even conjecture. We’ve already witnessed the never-before-in-humanity transformation of all general knowledge to the free public domain in Wikipedia and google, and yet, humanity seemed to have collectively gone dumber by a century if anything.
In spite of all the roadblocks put by greedy publishers, access to literature has never been this easier in all of history even if you are broke. This even if you exclude scihub as an option (not that I am saying you should, I love that scihub exists and hope it continues to).
All I’m saying is, keep fighting this fight but don’t assume it’s anywhere near as important for any real problem in this society, general or academia.
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#34Back when I was doing my undergrad in India, I was doing an internship in a lab there. It wasn’t a national lab, so calling that lab dirt poor is an understatement (they used to wash and reuse microfuge tubes). They would typically work with a budget that’s 1/100th of a regular American lab. Naturally their research was also for the most part mediocre or worse. Except one paper that got published in a British journal…
> This is not even conjecture. [...] humanity seemed to have collectively gone dumber by a century if anything.
"Kids these days" effect. People have been complaining about generational decline for at least 2500 years. What are you basing your assertion on, gut feeling? Social media? Clickbaity news? You probably also overestimate the educational level of humanity 100 years ago.
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#35Back when I was doing my undergrad in India, I was doing an internship in a lab there. It wasn’t a national lab, so calling that lab dirt poor is an understatement (they used to wash and reuse microfuge tubes). They would typically work with a budget that’s 1/100th of a regular American lab. Naturally their research was also for the most part mediocre or worse. Except one paper that got published in a British journal…
What an odd thing to say. You're saying that you don't think having to wait months to read a paper through backchannels has negatively affected the research output of that lab? > This is not even conjecture. [...] humanity seemed to have collectively gone dumber by a century if anything. "Kids these days" effect. People have been complaining about generational decline for at least 2500 years. What are you basing your…
Again, I’m not saying I wouldn’t prefer to have free unfettered access to all research ever performed, or that we should give these publishers a pass, but I want to emphasize that this is not a big issue for academics. Funding, focus, politics, the culture of publish or perish, the Ponzi scheme like training funnel, these are the bigger issues.
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#36Of course, an intermediate horror scenario will then come true if the IP-holding ghoulish husk of Elsevier is snapped up by an IP troll. However, that could finally push us over the edge to rethink intellectual property timeframes.
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#37Back when I was doing my undergrad in India, I was doing an internship in a lab there. It wasn’t a national lab, so calling that lab dirt poor is an understatement (they used to wash and reuse microfuge tubes). They would typically work with a budget that’s 1/100th of a regular American lab. Naturally their research was also for the most part mediocre or worse. Except one paper that got published in a British journal…
Something that is worth noting, is that what these kinds of sites are doing is fundamentally the same as what local libraries do. Local libraries get a pass only because there was a precedent for their existence before copyright and IP law got out of hand. Would you have as blase an attitude if this were the big five trying to shutdown all the public libraries?
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#38https://www.elsevier.com/open-access
What part of the contents of the above link is unacceptable ?
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#39The academic publishing industry in general, and Elsevier specifically, are a curse upon academia and human progress in general. But they only have power if we give it to them. There is still hope that one of these days, young academics will choose to simply not publish there anymore, and when the old guard dies off so will interest in the old information silos. Of course, an intermediate horror scenario will then co…
This will happen a lot quicker if more people work to improve FAIRness (Findability, Accessibility, Interop, Reusability) of content and information that's outside proprietary silos already. Whether old content that has become legally available due to its age, or content that's been published openly in the first place. That's what it would take for people to ignore the silos outright.
> ...if the IP-holding ghoulish husk of Elsevier is snapped up by an IP troll.
Most large publishers are pretty much IP trolls anyway. The incentives inherent in IPR regulation, combined with large monopoly power, push them towards that model.
Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)
#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
What an odd thing to say. You're saying that you don't think having to wait months to read a paper through backchannels has negatively affected the research output of that lab? > This is not even conjecture. [...] humanity seemed to have collectively gone dumber by a century if anything. "Kids these days" effect. People have been complaining about generational decline for at least 2500 years. What are you basing your…
I did train through times when access to articles wasn’t easy (because there was no scihub and I worked in india) and honestly getting the articles was not even my 10th biggest concern. I always had 50-100 pdfs ready to read, adding more to that queue was not an issue. Only times when access to literature was a problem was when you had a particular article you needed details from (which weren’t in the abstract). This…
the monopoly on publishing centralizes control over information, which allows publishers to set the terms (publish or perish, publishing focus)
the political and funding landscape are then shaped by an entity that now has a structurally adversarial relationship to the academics that form it's value base, as it's interests are only served by keeping that community subordinate.