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Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

#31

Post by satvikpendem »

Netisneverfree wrote: post #12
matai_kolila wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It's hard to create quality content, and even harder to do it without being able to monetize that content. "The Internet should be free!" that's just not sustainable. I'm sorry but it isn't.

That's just it. The internet was never free. There has pretty much always been some method that people have been making money off of creating content for it, in some format or another. Whether it be basic ads, affiliate links, sponsorship spots, or web stores; the internet has always been paid for somehow in some way. And that's before we discuss things like ISP's providing that connection to it in the first place. P…

Please don't make new accounts just to reply to a particular comment.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by satvikpendem »

AntonyGarand wrote: post #18
cma wrote: post #2

What's their cut relative to using Patreon? Edit: "They get 90% of what they charge; Discord takes the other 10% as its fee." https://www.tubefilter.com/2022/06/16/discord-premium-member...

The interesting part is that it seems like it's a flat 10%, which includes the payment processing fees: > our payment for each purchase will be the price set by you, less ten percent (10%), unless we expressly state otherwise in writing to you. This ten percent will cover transaction costs such as payment processing fees and the cost of providing tools, features, and support described above. This gives them an edge f…

That is impressive because it seems like they're eating the 30¢ from the transaction, which is annoying when dealing with microtransactions like your 1 dollar example. But I'm sure due to their market position they make back that money manifold.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by notatoad »

malwrar wrote: post #4

tl;dr it looks like Discord is working to introduce paid servers, channels, etc intended for content creators to monetize fan interaction. The vibe their docs give off makes it feel similar to how Patreon allows you to get exclusive content and chat direct with creators, but it does feel weird putting a direct price tag on participating on an instant messaging app. Discord is pretty explicit about creators governing…

"access to the discord" seems to be a pretty common perk to see on patreon. it's not like this is a new thing discord has invented, they're just trying to be the ones collecting the money for a thing that creators are already doing.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by lmm »

MattDemers wrote: post #29
lumenwrites wrote: post #23

Personally, I'm really excited about this. For two reasons: 1. I love using Discord and building communities there. But it does take a lot of work. A way to monetize some of this stuff is very welcome. Even if I won't end up doing this for my own projects, I like that there's an incentive for people to put a lot of effort into building high quality communities (which I'd be happy to pay to participate in). 2. If this…

I mostly dislike how this is adding nothing new to Discord syncing subscriber status from Twitch or Patreon; doing that assigned the subscriber who connected their accounts a role, which could then be used for permissions to access content. This is all that a Discord Subscriber gets (role access to exclusive channels), besides "Premium Emotes", which is nebulous in value. Discord are streamlining the process that was…

> I mostly dislike how this is adding nothing new to Discord syncing subscriber status from Twitch or Patreon; doing that assigned the subscriber who connected their accounts a role, which could then be used for permissions to access content. This is all that a Discord Subscriber gets (role access to exclusive channels), besides "Premium Emotes", which is nebulous in value.

Having to use a fiddly separate system is a pain. I've got more than one membership where the whole community and content is on Discord and the Patreon exists solely to manage subscriptions; having that built into Discord seems like an obviously better alternative.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by lmm »

unity1001 wrote: post #13
matai_kolila wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My assumption here is that this is built to replace Patreon entirely. "Sub to my Discord or sub to my Patreon to get exclusive content!" eventually becomes, "Sub to my Discord to get exclusive content!" and cuts out Patreon entirely.

You can connect more things to Patreon - your website, custom apps, even software and provide patron-only features from all of those thanks to Patreon. To compete with Patreon, Discord needs to provide all of that.

I'm sure they will. All those Patreon integrations had to be built too.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by lmm »

malwrar wrote: post #4

tl;dr it looks like Discord is working to introduce paid servers, channels, etc intended for content creators to monetize fan interaction. The vibe their docs give off makes it feel similar to how Patreon allows you to get exclusive content and chat direct with creators, but it does feel weird putting a direct price tag on participating on an instant messaging app. Discord is pretty explicit about creators governing…

A lot of discords are already paid, or invite-only secret clubs (even worse IMO). It doesn't seem any different from a paid forum, or heck, a lot of the reason people pay for OnlyFans is messaging.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by lmm »

Netisneverfree wrote: post #12
matai_kolila wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. It's hard to create quality content, and even harder to do it without being able to monetize that content. "The Internet should be free!" that's just not sustainable. I'm sorry but it isn't.

That's just it. The internet was never free. There has pretty much always been some method that people have been making money off of creating content for it, in some format or another. Whether it be basic ads, affiliate links, sponsorship spots, or web stores; the internet has always been paid for somehow in some way. And that's before we discuss things like ISP's providing that connection to it in the first place. P…

This is just false, and profoundly ignorant of history. There was a time when the net was free, and it worked well; whether to allow commercial use of the net at all was a big debate in the early days.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by Spivak »

Good lord Discord is gonna eat the world without anyone ever noticing. They somehow managed to make a service that was social network, app delivery platform, group chat, community forums, Tumblr, Reddit, Vent/Mumble, internet radio, customer support channel, Twitch, Spotify group sessions, IRC, and now Patreon.

It's so unbelievably slick and well architected and god so freaking fast. Slack has got to be quaking in the boots at this point, the bots on Discord put Slack to shame and the market is realizing it with services pushing Discord integrations before Slack.

It took me all of four hours to have a bot up and running that could record all my friends' Spotify history and recommend stuff to them, control my lights, respond to gpt prompts, get build notifications from Gitlab, share my friendgroup Wi-Fi passwords, get Prometheus alerts with working buttons to ack/silence/chatops.

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

#39

Post by kixiQu »

csande17 wrote: post #28
kixiQu wrote: post #26

A word problem: If it's 90%-10% revenue share, but they have a blogpost ( https://discord.com/creators/server-subs-104-price-your-subs... ) explaining that you need to shoot to make 110% in revenue of the amount you need to take home before taxes, what percent confidence should one have in their ability to manage creators' funds?

...Have I missed something, or are you mad at them for rounding 1/.9 = 1.111... to "110%" in an article about estimating revenue? Unless you're able to guess the number of subscribers you'll have with 3 significant figures of precision, that seems entirely appropriate.

It is always fine for a chat server to silently round numbers. There is no context in which I want a payment processor to silently round numbers. (And I'm not wild about a "haha who even knows how taxes work" joke either)

Re: Discord’s Creator Portal

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Post by Karunamon »

Spivak wrote: post #38

Good lord Discord is gonna eat the world without anyone ever noticing. They somehow managed to make a service that was social network, app delivery platform, group chat, community forums, Tumblr, Reddit, Vent/Mumble, internet radio, customer support channel, Twitch, Spotify group sessions, IRC, and now Patreon. It's so unbelievably slick and well architected and god so freaking fast. Slack has got to be quaking in th…

All they need are slightly better admin controls, SSO, and a switch to disable anything "fun" in the client (maybe settable via a group policy if there feeling froggy), and Slack has literally nothing to offer.

This is a relatively trivial amount of engineering work to have feature parity

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