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Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by googlryas »

empyrrhicist wrote: post #23
theideaofcoffee wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hesitate to engage with this comment, but this 'method' is the same that was used by the hunters with the ladder. The sticking point is that, sure, they're not stepping foot in the corner-adjacent lots, but they are still crossing into the property via the air. This would be the same issue with the helicopter. Consider a property line not just a line on the ground, but an invisible wall extending from that line on…

That's not correct in the slightest - landowners do not control the airspace above their property. That's why municipalities can't ban the use of drones, just their launching and control from their territory. Even the national park service, which tries to restrict aircraft as much as possible, can only regulate in this way (and to prevent harassing wildlife). I have a commercial drone license.

Landowners generally control the air above their land to some certain limit, which is why you can fly your drone at 2000' elevation over their land but not necessarily 10' elevation over their land.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by torstenvl »

teddyh wrote: post #30
bergenty wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t want that in the US. We have more than enough national public land where people are free to roam. The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. We are a very individualistic people, I don’t want people in my little nation state.

> The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. FUD. Freedom to Roam laws only allow camping a fair distance away from inhabited buildings.

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Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by jacob019 »

zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #27

This is insane. Nobody should be allowed to block access like that. The land owner was harassing these men while they were on public land and is continuing to harass them using a court. The landowner should be in prison.

Prison--no... we do too much of that in this country already. He should be defeated though.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by timnetworks »

teddyh wrote: post #30
bergenty wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t want that in the US. We have more than enough national public land where people are free to roam. The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. We are a very individualistic people, I don’t want people in my little nation state.

> The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. FUD. Freedom to Roam laws only allow camping a fair distance away from inhabited buildings.

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Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by exit »

teddyh wrote: post #30
bergenty wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn’t want that in the US. We have more than enough national public land where people are free to roam. The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. We are a very individualistic people, I don’t want people in my little nation state.

> The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. FUD. Freedom to Roam laws only allow camping a fair distance away from inhabited buildings.

how is "a fair distance" specified?

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by nkrisc »

exit wrote: post #35
teddyh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. FUD. Freedom to Roam laws only allow camping a fair distance away from inhabited buildings.

how is "a fair distance" specified?

They may not be citing specific law, but instead generally describing the spirit of a broad set of such laws.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by Brian_K_White »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #25
LorenPechtel wrote: post #17

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As I hiker I definitely disagree with the notion that no roads = no access. I've been plenty of places you could not construct a road without some pretty hefty engineering. And note that this article is about a case where there were no roads but the hunters were there anyway. I'm definitely on the side of the corner-crossers, you don't get to control public land by land-locking it. I'd say the owner of the land that…

> I'd say the owner of the land that land-locks it gets to within reason decide the route that is permitted Suppose that the public land is sandwiched between two private owners. Which of those private owners must grant the access? Worse, suppose that that chunk in the middle wasn't originally public land, but is later purchased by the state. At that point, the previous owners - having done nothing on their own - are…

I'm fine with the horrible unbearable unfair rapacious evil taking.

As far as I'm concerned there shouldalways have been some provision where the government essentially subtracts a roadway from any parcel that otherwise blocks access to any other, any time the two parcels are not owned by the same person. If there is a way to make a path along a border, then do that and intrude 1/2 as much on 2. If an owner would prefer the path be elsewhere for some reason and is willing to provide a reasonable alternative, allow them.

There is no cause at all to pity the poor abused land owner for their inability to control access to public land, or even just another private land that they don't own, and the "taking" to carve out a path from "their" property is no "taking" at all. They and you are crying over the loss of something they never had and moral right to in the first place.

Wrong side to pity.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by zoklet-enjoyer »

jacob019 wrote: post #33
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #27

This is insane. Nobody should be allowed to block access like that. The land owner was harassing these men while they were on public land and is continuing to harass them using a court. The landowner should be in prison.

Prison--no... we do too much of that in this country already. He should be defeated though.

Nah. Rich people who use hired goons and courts to harass people should be in prison.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by f0000 »

jacob019 wrote: post #33
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #27

This is insane. Nobody should be allowed to block access like that. The land owner was harassing these men while they were on public land and is continuing to harass them using a court. The landowner should be in prison.

Prison--no... we do too much of that in this country already. He should be defeated though.

Yeah, we should only imprison the poor not white collar criminals they're too similar to ourselves.

Re: A navigation app that illuminates public land within privately held property

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Post by teddyh »

timnetworks wrote: post #34
teddyh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The last thing I want is some random camping in my backyard. FUD. Freedom to Roam laws only allow camping a fair distance away from inhabited buildings.

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Freedom to Roam laws only allow passing through, not littering. Do you foresee people who would litter illegally, but would not trespass illegally?
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