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The $205.4B Gulag

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I am making a concerted effort in my life to avoid buying things made in China. It’s harder than it sounds, and in the case of consumer electronics, impossible. If the point of this article is to make the reader feel bad for buying an iPhone, they’ve failed. Nearly every electronics device sold in the US is made or assembled in China, and most under even worse conditions than FoxConn.

The best you can do, I think, is to make sure to support Taiwanese brands as much as possible, as opposed to direct Chinese brands. Asus, Acer, Gigabyte are a few of them. Yes, they're still quite intermingled with the mainland, but it's better than nothing!

It's been "fun" to see tankie twitter rush to point out that Foxconn is a Taiwanese company (not a Chinese one), after years of denying that Taiwan is separate from China:

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Interesting that the author felt the need to make an anti-communist comparison to describe a typical capitalist workplace.

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#33

I'd like to remind people about the terrible working conditions in extremely wealthy places such as California too. Right now, University of California grad students and researchers, who produce a massive proportion of science on the West coast, are on strike. In most locations, it's nearly impossible to pay rent on their stipends. Grad students may be in training, but they are also the source of nearly all the novel…

What kind of standards are we talking? Can't afford 25th percentile studio apartment in the region? Can't rent and walk to work?

They go without food, and double up and triple up in rooms that they rent. And though homelessness is more prevalent among undergrad students, it also happens to a lot of grad student workers too.

Re: The $205.4B Gulag

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post #9

I am making a concerted effort in my life to avoid buying things made in China. It’s harder than it sounds, and in the case of consumer electronics, impossible. If the point of this article is to make the reader feel bad for buying an iPhone, they’ve failed. Nearly every electronics device sold in the US is made or assembled in China, and most under even worse conditions than FoxConn.

Who decides to make it in China? Who demands that companies be highly highly profitable?

Profitable companies outcompete less competitive ones.

No one decided that, it's just a fact.

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#35
post #9

I am making a concerted effort in my life to avoid buying things made in China. It’s harder than it sounds, and in the case of consumer electronics, impossible. If the point of this article is to make the reader feel bad for buying an iPhone, they’ve failed. Nearly every electronics device sold in the US is made or assembled in China, and most under even worse conditions than FoxConn.

The best you can do, I think, is to make sure to support Taiwanese brands as much as possible, as opposed to direct Chinese brands. Asus, Acer, Gigabyte are a few of them. Yes, they're still quite intermingled with the mainland, but it's better than nothing!

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post #24

I'd like to remind people about the terrible working conditions in extremely wealthy places such as California too. Right now, University of California grad students and researchers, who produce a massive proportion of science on the West coast, are on strike. In most locations, it's nearly impossible to pay rent on their stipends. Grad students may be in training, but they are also the source of nearly all the novel…

Comparing factory workers anywhere to grad students in California is remarkable. Grad students endure the conditions voluntarily. They would have tons of alternative options in the private sector if they chose to do that.

Defending paying people less than a living wage is remarkable. There are an endless number of contrarian positions to take, but 'scientists shouldn't protest being paid too little to live on' takes the cake. Incidentally having worked both in a factory role and as a graduate student - the former was significantly better paid.

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I have a fairly unusual history relative to my general cohort in that between high school and college, I spent about two years working in electronics manufacturing and assembly factories (age 17 to 19) in California. I did work like injection-molding cases for devices, cutting cable and crimping connectors for computer cables, and finally, a bit of work in a laser-welding facility for precision components in Silicon Valley. The pay was remarkably good for someone my age with nothing but a high-school education, particularly when production ramped up and overtime was available (I could afford my own small apartment, and bought a car), but eventually the tedium convinced me to go to college (plus, the people upstairs in the R&D division had better pay and more interesting jobs).

Some of those jobs still exist but most of that work has been outsourced to China and Mexico and Indonesia and the Philippines. There seem to be a fair amount of high-end prototyping shops but very little mass production activity, particularly of the basic components that go into tech devices. That's because:

> ""PCB [printed circuit board] manufacturing and assembly is a very low-margin business and is largely located in Asia. It comes down to access to low-cost labor, a vast ecosystem of factory infrastructure, and flexibility. It is hard to replicate the ecosystem in the US today," said Kundojjala. "

https://www.pcmag.com/news/silicon-usa-technology-made-in-am...

The primary reason Apple and others pushed for oversea production via NAFTA trade deals, WTO membership for China, etc. is to cut labor costs. Paying kids with high-school education relatively high wages was seen as too onerous, so the factories were shipped overseas. While I worked in electronics, this exact same thing happened with the similarly-sized garment manufactuing industry.

Now if you're wondering why there's an epidemic of homelessness and poverty in California, and it's become the state with the largest income gap in the USA, well, that's why.

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post #24

I'd like to remind people about the terrible working conditions in extremely wealthy places such as California too. Right now, University of California grad students and researchers, who produce a massive proportion of science on the West coast, are on strike. In most locations, it's nearly impossible to pay rent on their stipends. Grad students may be in training, but they are also the source of nearly all the novel…

Comparing factory workers anywhere to grad students in California is remarkable. Grad students endure the conditions voluntarily. They would have tons of alternative options in the private sector if they chose to do that.

So graduate education should only be available to the children of the wealthy, in your opinion?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of standards are we talking? Can't afford 25th percentile studio apartment in the region? Can't rent and walk to work?

They go without food, and double up and triple up in rooms that they rent. And though homelessness is more prevalent among undergrad students, it also happens to a lot of grad student workers too.

Can you point to statistics of homelessness and food scarcity amongst university students in California?

I would be surprised if it is more than a rounding error, but open to being shocked.

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post #24

I'd like to remind people about the terrible working conditions in extremely wealthy places such as California too. Right now, University of California grad students and researchers, who produce a massive proportion of science on the West coast, are on strike. In most locations, it's nearly impossible to pay rent on their stipends. Grad students may be in training, but they are also the source of nearly all the novel…

Comparing factory workers anywhere to grad students in California is remarkable. Grad students endure the conditions voluntarily. They would have tons of alternative options in the private sector if they chose to do that.

Ok then list just 5 options they have from the tons you claim exist. Go ahead, no hurry.

Please make sure to provide factual options that can be corroborated.

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