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Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by Victerius »

UltraViolence wrote: post #23
cowsup wrote: post #6

They’re simply saying that Xbox’s promise to keep Activision software on PlayStation “long-term” is likely only going to last for this console generation, and will end around the time of the PS6. This is their attempt at putting the phrase “long-term” into perspective. This isn’t an announcement or leak on the scale of the GTA 6 leak. Just Sony stating the obvious fact that the PS5 will not be their only console for…

That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.

Counterpoint 1: The low barriers to entry of the video game industry make it easy for new players to disrupt the space if Microsoft wants to abuse its position.

Counterpoint 2: The product is video games at the end of the day. It's not exactly as important as life saving drugs or internet service providers, where antitrust resources are more needed. There is an unlimited number of ways for consumers to entertain themselves.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by Dylan16807 »

haunter wrote: post #12

Does anyone find this interesting compared to the smartphone market where Apple and Samsung are pushing out $1k phones _every single year_? You can say it's hard to find a PS5 at MSRP ($499 or $399 if digital) but it's still on a multi year (+5 at least) release cycle. Whereas the current iPhone generation (14) starts at $799 and $999. And next year you get a new one, and the next year another. And prices will increa…

For scheduling: Consoles guarantee near perfect compatibility in a way that phones don't. And if you upgrade every two years you can trade in or sell the old phone for half the price of the new phone.

As for the price, small is expensive, and the cost per hour of use is not a lot. Also plenty of phones are much cheaper. The high-end mirror of consoles is a gaming PC.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by exitb »

haunter wrote: post #12

Does anyone find this interesting compared to the smartphone market where Apple and Samsung are pushing out $1k phones _every single year_? You can say it's hard to find a PS5 at MSRP ($499 or $399 if digital) but it's still on a multi year (+5 at least) release cycle. Whereas the current iPhone generation (14) starts at $799 and $999. And next year you get a new one, and the next year another. And prices will increa…

Consoles themselves are typically sold at cost or loss even. Sony makes majority of the money on games and associated services. In that model it just makes sense keep the release cycle as long as possible.

In the phone business there are associated services too, but the hardware itself can be immensely profitable.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by badpun »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #16
adammarples wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They also need games. Getting a new playstation every year that didn't have any games yet would be kind of pointless.

Putting out a $1,000 console every year would be self-defeating in another way - a console has two value propositions: 1. Platform exclusives. 2. It's cheaper than a computer. Otherwise, it's a gimped computer that won't run most of the stuff you want and is difficult to use. Putting out a new model every year will make your console significantly more expensive than getting a computer. If you raise the price to $1,00…

Also, no fooling around with graphics drivers, wondering if your rig's specs are good enough etc. On the other hand, gaming PC have mouse+keyboard input.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by scarface74 »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #24
haunter wrote: post #12

Does anyone find this interesting compared to the smartphone market where Apple and Samsung are pushing out $1k phones _every single year_? You can say it's hard to find a PS5 at MSRP ($499 or $399 if digital) but it's still on a multi year (+5 at least) release cycle. Whereas the current iPhone generation (14) starts at $799 and $999. And next year you get a new one, and the next year another. And prices will increa…

> And next year you get a new one, and the next year another You can't wear your PS5 to flaunt how rich, current, stylish, trendy you are. People are happy to shell out money for a status symbols. US practice of contract subsidizing the price of the phone helped it greatly, when even high schoolers could get it.

Yes because in a country where 50% of the people own an iPhone and you can get one by working 5 hours on minimum wage per month, it’s really a “status symbol” to have the same thing everyone else has and it shows you are “rich” that you can afford to pay $30/month.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by theturtletalks »

UltraViolence wrote: post #23
cowsup wrote: post #6

They’re simply saying that Xbox’s promise to keep Activision software on PlayStation “long-term” is likely only going to last for this console generation, and will end around the time of the PS6. This is their attempt at putting the phrase “long-term” into perspective. This isn’t an announcement or leak on the scale of the GTA 6 leak. Just Sony stating the obvious fact that the PS5 will not be their only console for…

That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.

Commenters are pointing to Sony’s acquisition of Bungie as a justification for this merger to go through.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by ErneX »

oblio wrote: post #2

I guess it's the standard console cycle, probably with a refresh in the middle, around 2024? Oh, how is PS5 performance compared to 2022 midrange gaming PCs? I remember some sort of benchmarks and for 2020 I think it was very competitive.

I doubt they are doing mid gen refreshes this time.

Previous gen it made sense due to 4K TVs getting traction, this time even 2 years into the new cycle consoles are still hard to find, some have already even increased prices (PS5) and MS is already talking about them raising prices too.

Plus, not many truly next-gen games have been released so far.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by kotaKat »

scarface74 wrote: post #28
UltraViolence wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That Microsoft is going to abuse its ownership of Activision is a certainty. They've already proclaimed they will only keep certain franchises on PlayStation for several more years after the merger succeeds. This merger needs to be stopped dead in its tracks. If competition authorities allow this merger they're factually legalizing market abuse.

So does PlayStation release all of its IP on Xbox?

No, and if I want to develop for Playstation I have an immense gatekeeping process, ten times worse than developing for Xbox or even Nintendo.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by sarsway »

haunter wrote: post #12

Does anyone find this interesting compared to the smartphone market where Apple and Samsung are pushing out $1k phones _every single year_? You can say it's hard to find a PS5 at MSRP ($499 or $399 if digital) but it's still on a multi year (+5 at least) release cycle. Whereas the current iPhone generation (14) starts at $799 and $999. And next year you get a new one, and the next year another. And prices will increa…

Mobile market is gigantic, Apple & Samsung make like 10x the money, they have much bigger teams.

People don't buy a new phone every year.

A lot of people buy $300 Android or previous generation iPhones.

A lot of people still do multi year contracts.

Most years the phones are just slightly updated versions of their predecessors, not complete new developments.

Console sometimes release updated versions as well.

Consoles need to be affordable for younger people.

Phone money is in hardware and micro-transactions. Console money is in game purchases. Consoles do best with a fresh slate every handful of years.

Re: Playstation 6 Release Leaked

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Post by ErneX »

autotune wrote: post #3

Playstation 5 is still experiencing shortages even after all this time, you can only really find one if you join a wait list or pay a markup. The game catalog leaves more to be desired as well, I can only find like 3 games right now specifically for PS5 that are not also on PC worth playing, but fine, maybe that's more to do with me specifically. Either way, can we maybe resolve the current shortages before looking f…

These consoles were released in 2020. 2028 is 8 years later, pretty much the usual cycle length.
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