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AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kodyo »

duxup wrote: post #28
somenameforme wrote: post #16

It's amazing how quickly fake news is able to spread through "credible" news sources, all without even the slightest bit of real verification. I don't know if its scary or comforting to consider that if the political establishment wanted WW3, they could have it had it right there. The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD could have simply agreed with the story/Zelensky/et al, declare anybo…

Personally I think of incorrect news without someone trying to lie or distort the news as just a mistake. As far as I know that was the case here, and bound to happen a great deal. I think of fake news as something else.

Shitty reporting that supports your intelligence agency's agenda is pretty straight-forward fake news.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kamaal »

ajross wrote: post #21
oa335 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compare and contrast Russian invasion with the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq: https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/4.5.htm

Two-decade-stale whataboutism doesn't change anything about the morality of the war in Ukraine or what our response to it should be. There are plenty of bad guys in the world for you to hate. The question should be what are you going to do about it today? Today, it's clear where the bad guys are. Tomorrow it may be different.

>>Today, it's clear where the bad guys are. Tomorrow it may be different.

Actually bad guys have been the same. It is hard for people to understand or even stand the fact that their country and their countrymen could be evil. That is pretty much all there is to this. Everybody likes to believe the war they are fighting is for a just cause and will make the world a better place, and they think every other country doing the very same is evil.

We should all agree on the fact when we say "War for X reasons is evil" the real issue there is "War", not X which could be {religion, democracy, economic order, ...}

But honestly mostly people do if for things like resources, and influence and but like to sell as X. This is why everything you do is ok, but others doing it isn't. There are only finite resources, and this is a race condition.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by throwawaymedia »

When Ukraine hits Poland (even by mistake), people take step back and blame Russia, because Ukraine wouldn't have had to use an anti-missile system if there was no Russian missile in the first place. Fair enough.

Now, why don't people use the same analogy for Russia starting that war? Let's take a step back and ask a basic question - who escalated this all? Who benefits from this war? Who pours money there? Why is nobody asking these questions?

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by tomjakubowski »

_-david-_ wrote: post #5

Getting fired for almost starting WW3 due to a fake story you wrote seems like a pretty light punishment. Maybe the AP will do a better job fact checking in the future before causing a war.

If nuclear powers decided to launch missiles based only on random newspaper articles we'd all be long dead.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by ajross »

somenameforme wrote: post #16

It's amazing how quickly fake news is able to spread through "credible" news sources, all without even the slightest bit of real verification. I don't know if its scary or comforting to consider that if the political establishment wanted WW3, they could have it had it right there. The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD could have simply agreed with the story/Zelensky/et al, declare anybo…

> The same intelligence agencies that convinced the world Iraq had WMD could have simply agreed with the story/Zelensky/et al, declare anybody debating it to be a "conspiracy theorist promoting Russian misinformation/propaganda", invoke article 5, and away we go.

But... they didn't. The people with the power put on their big boy pants and said "No, I don't think this is right", refused to engage with the outrage machine, and shared what intelligence they could to refute the story. And the new media retracted the piece within 24 hours and has now fired the author after an investigation.

Isn't that evidence that the system is working? Shouldn't you be celebrating it as a victory instead of complaining about things that didn't happen?

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by duxup »

robswc wrote: post #30

Seems wild how it seems lately there's no room for gray, only black and white. I got torn apart for saying the "ghost of Kyiv" wasn't real, followed by the "most level headed take" of a reply that went something like "hey, even if its fake, people need something to believe in right now so saying this stuff only helps Russia." I am of course 100% against what Russia is doing. I just feel like we should all be very awa…

What I find interesting is among a few sites where you see amateurs talking about combat footage and news of that war, everyone is well aware how little they know.

It’s everyone else who seems to draw grand conclusions.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by ajross »

kodyo wrote: post #31
duxup wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I think of incorrect news without someone trying to lie or distort the news as just a mistake. As far as I know that was the case here, and bound to happen a great deal. I think of fake news as something else.

Shitty reporting that supports your intelligence agency's agenda is pretty straight-forward fake news.

What agenda? The state department and white house straight up denied this story when it ran!

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by duxup »

kodyo wrote: post #31
duxup wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I think of incorrect news without someone trying to lie or distort the news as just a mistake. As far as I know that was the case here, and bound to happen a great deal. I think of fake news as something else.

Shitty reporting that supports your intelligence agency's agenda is pretty straight-forward fake news.

I don’t see anyone getting anything out of that story…

Who would push that story and then just let the news come out that it was actually Ukrainian?

I also haven’t seen anything to indicate it was anything but just bad reporting.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kodyo »

elevaet wrote: post #17
ghufran_syed wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The americans, germans, french and every other country in the world are all “shit” by those standards - they have all done the same and would do the same again if their “national security objectives” required it. Ukraine would do the same to Russia if it could, the reason they aren’t is logistic, not moral. In every war, the propagandists try to promote the view that this war is a “good” or “just” war - they are all…

So what's your point? Should we join hands and welcome Russia to help themselves in Ukraine? This whataboutism around Ukraine is emblematic of the problem with misaligned postmodern thinking. The fact of the matter is that Russia has violently invaded Ukraine and they are trying to bend Ukraine against its will. It's wrong and the world _should_ come to their side. Likewise if the tables were turned.

Funny thing is that the tables WERE turned, by NATO.

Re: AP fires reporter behind retracted ‘Russian missiles’ story

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Post by kube-system »

kodyo wrote: post #26
ajross wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two-decade-stale whataboutism doesn't change anything about the morality of the war in Ukraine or what our response to it should be. There are plenty of bad guys in the world for you to hate. The question should be what are you going to do about it today? Today, it's clear where the bad guys are. Tomorrow it may be different.

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I’m sure Ukraine doesn’t feel like it’s fighting a puppet dance. Just because the US has made bad decisions before doesn’t mean that it’s doing a bad thing now, nor does it means that there’s anything wrong with incentives being aligned. All international relations are based on aligned incentives of self interest, not just those of the US.
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