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The New Smoking (2021)

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Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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> This extends to video games, usually of the free-to-play type. Free games are mostly hot garbage, with a couple of rare exceptions. Many of these are also pay-to-win games which strike me as the most preposterous use of time imaginable.

A good heuristic for determining whether a game is worth your time is to determine if the game will provide the same experience regardless of when you play it. If the answer is no, the game probably isn't worth your time and you probably shouldn't be playing it.

Features that require you to play a game n days in a row or that require you to play a game at certain times of the day or that require you to stop playing the game and come back the next day are red flags in terms of the game being low quality because there's no need to exploit people's FOMO if you've actually created a good work of art that stands on its own merits.

I also more or less completely ignore phones as gaming platforms. Those platforms have such bad reputations that a game (that isn't a port of a retro classic like the early Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy or Grand Theft Auto games) even being available on them tends to be a red flag that it is a low quality game. There's no reason why good games can't be released on iOS or Android but generally speaking they aren't because of the stigma that those platforms have due to all of the "free-to-play" garbage that has been released on them over the years.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

#32

Stupid parenting is what causes current issue. Yes, they're too busy to take care of their children, so let's just give them a phone and done, you're free! If all parents forbid their children to touch the phone, problem solved.

I don't think keeping phones away from kids is enough to solve smartphone addiction. There are lots of smartphone addicts who were already adults before smartphones were invented-- I was well into my 20s when the iphone was invented, so I definitely wasn't using it as a kid, yet I don't think I have a healthy relationship with the technology.

I also don't think it's particularly helpful to blame individual parents (most of whom are doing the best they can at a very difficult job!) for what is ultimately a social issue that all of us contribute to.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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post #2

I mean he's right. At some point if we're just robots playing candy crush or watching tiktok after tiktok - what's the real downside of just matrixing our society. I mean yes there are people that still skateboard or ski or hike, but if the population that finds meaning in activities disappears in the next 100 years, there's no reason to have physical anything. Might as well call it or fight back.

The people who spend all day sitting and staring at screens will end up with lower reproductive fitness due to obesity, weakness, and various endocrine system disorders. So over a long enough time scale, evolution will sort us out.

Nah.. we'll evolution won't get a chance. Between cybernetics and genetic engineering we'll eventually overcome issues with our physical bodies way before evolution comes into play.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

#34

The real question for me is how do we fix it? Both at the societal level but especially at the personal level for me I’ve been aware of this habit but unable to kick it for years now.

We can't if we keep running a society that's working people into a minimal life.

Reduce work and living expenses to give people back some time and energy to actually pick up something more complicated than social feeds or digital entertainment.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

#35
post #10

All true. It’s not free of government involvement however... Notable is the mention of TikTok, which supplies CCP-curated content that differs by country. https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tiktok-in-china-versus-the-uni...

Wasn’t this debunked? Kids in China, when asked what they want to be when they grow up, overwhelmingly say influencer.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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post #11
post #2

I mean he's right. At some point if we're just robots playing candy crush or watching tiktok after tiktok - what's the real downside of just matrixing our society. I mean yes there are people that still skateboard or ski or hike, but if the population that finds meaning in activities disappears in the next 100 years, there's no reason to have physical anything. Might as well call it or fight back.

The people who spend all day sitting and staring at screens will end up with lower reproductive fitness due to obesity, weakness, and various endocrine system disorders. So over a long enough time scale, evolution will sort us out.

Bad food and portion sizes carry most of the blame for obesity. You can be a gym nut and still addicted to technology though.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

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Many, many people point this out but most of them don't seem to have much insight beyond the symptoms.

I've thought about the apparent paradox that I keep distracting myself with a phone/computer while also not getting any fulfillment out of it. Right now I think it is about self-loathing and hating my own company. I hated being undistracted since that meant more attention for my thoughts. Those nagging, awful thoughts.

I've also had some experience with meditation. I was never succesful. But I did manage to have the mini-insight that I am not my thoughts. So I didn't pick up meditation again but I did try to carve out some 10 minutes here and there where I just sat with myself, focused on the moment, and didn't look at my phone. I used to get super-annoyed at myself when I did this because my mind would always start to wander. But that mini-insight might have actually had some lasting effect, since now I was able to not get annoyed when I noticed myself -- um, I mean my thoughts -- just blahblahblahing. Because chatty mind is fine as long as you can observe it with detachment. At least at my level.

I don't know if it did anything, but it has correlated with a change in attitude towards these distractions. I now have better impulse control, am more optimistic, have more initiative, less irritable. And I have a better attitude and partial control over those nagging thoughts—I can either let them play out in the background or pivot them. Sometime. Total mastery of the chatty mind is a long ways off.

So how do I resolve this paradox? Before I hated myself and my mind—which I identified with myself—so much that I instantly reached for distractions whenever nothing was happening. Was past me an idiot for doing that? No. He simply didn't know any better; he was knee-deep in the ramblings of the chatty mind, either reacting to it or arguing with it.

Writing periods like this down feels like I am a leaving a note to my future, possibly confused self. From my now-lucid self.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

#38

The real question for me is how do we fix it? Both at the societal level but especially at the personal level for me I’ve been aware of this habit but unable to kick it for years now.

The way I am trying to solve this is by building a different kind of content feed. One that is not optimized for "time-spent-on-site" but for "will you be happy to have spent time on it".

This is how https://linklonk.com works: you upvote content that you found useful and the system gives more priority to users and RSS feeds that posted this content in your future content recommendations. As a result you see content from those who have brought to you useful information in the past - a feedback loop that is better aligned with your needs.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

#39

A new-to-me term I learned recently which I feel quite nicely relates to this post is Consumer neuroscience. Wikipedia clinically describes the field as "The goal of the field is to find neural explanations for consumer behaviors in individuals both with or without disease." Personally I have a less favourable description of it. How to make people addicted to your product, and spend more money than they should.

Having worked in related industries, I've always referred to this as the "dopamine / reward loop" (I think this is fairly well accepted?). Some people are predisposed to hardcore exploitation (e.g. gambling addicts), but from what I understand, and generally speaking, we're all capable of falling victim to some degree (we're all susceptible to some level of superfluous dopamine response). Not helping, industry shapin…

> should be regulated in some way, at least up until a certain age.

Its called proper parenting. As a father of little 2 miracles, I can clearly see how easily they get addicted to basically everything-screen, and many more things like junk food. And its 1-way road.

The hard part is going into full relentless battle with your own children who will use various psychological tricks, just like adult addicts, to get their kicks. Almost nothing is off the table. So you often end up with verbal contracts like you are buying next twitter to have some rule of sanity, but kids tend to ignore it anyway.

We personally are +- not there yet, so its relatively easy to manage 1 and 3 year olds for screens. But we see lost battles all around us, kids small and big glued to phones, tablets, tvs, just that parents can have some time off. Not everybody fails, but we see success mostly with parents that simply dont have tv at home and use (rarely) phones more like old nokias (with attached camera) rather than smart phones. You can't expect kids to respect prohobition when parents are clearly ignoring it.

Proper parenting these days is hard, I guess also due to higher bar for parenting success than just 'kids are alive when entering adulthood'.

Re: The New Smoking (2021)

#40
> ’m starting to believe a lot of the technology we engage with on a daily basis is doing us more harm than good

Who is "us" here? The users of the technology? Absolutely, it's terrible for your mental health. Or so you mean the owners of the technology who deploy it? In which case it's great, it super profitable and barely regulated.

But I expect you mean society as a whole where we have to integrate the above. Good question.

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