That was a solid read. I went in all ready to dismiss it, and still wasn't sure in the beginning, but by the end enjoyed it. Direct and not PC about making its points.
Same. It wasn't racist at all.
How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
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Re: How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
#32Author is Arthur Hayes, founder of the late crypto exchange BitMEX. The essay is less inflammatory than the title suggests, and I read it for the finance insights—- after all BitMEX was accused of frontrunning customers (too?)
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/the-rise-and-fall-of...
Re: How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
#33Author is Arthur Hayes, founder of the late crypto exchange BitMEX. The essay is less inflammatory than the title suggests, and I read it for the finance insights—- after all BitMEX was accused of frontrunning customers (too?) https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/the-rise-and-fall-of...
Interesting quote from this article:
“ As a student at Penn, I received a crash course education on the finer nuances of whiteness. The Fraternity system allowed the groups of same-caste whites to congregate together. There were Jewish, Southern White, WASP, and International White frats. While they didn’t put a billboard up saying “if you are not this or that, please don’t apply”, everyone surmised pretty quickly which house was which. My house was one of the traditionally more diverse fraternities, at least as far as Penn fraternities go. In the early 1990’s, the house got into a bit of trouble when a member of the WASP frat called a black brother by a racial slur. One of our house’s brothers or pledges retaliated by kidnapping a brother of the WASP frat, tying him to a flagpole in the black West Philly ghetto with a boombox playing Malcom X speeches.”
This dude clearly has serious issues with race. The framing of that is insane, it’s still an interesting article but it is heavily inflammatory
Re: How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see what you mean > In Pax Americana, it is verboten to suggest that the caste system is alive and well.
> In Pax Americana, it is verboten to suggest that the caste system is alive and well. If you are approaching this essay with that mentality and you aren’t interested in opening your mind, please stop reading here. If you’d prefer to continue believing in the fairytale of American exceptionalism, you can subscribe to the establishment’s whitewashed narrative of the implosion of the Death Star by just picking up a cop…
If you're not American, I can see why you wouldn't understand the cultural context that the article, and my response above, presumes intimate knowledge of. If you're curious, you could read Zinn's A People's History of the United States which is a pretty good primer.
Re: How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In Pax Americana, it is verboten to suggest that the caste system is alive and well. If you are approaching this essay with that mentality and you aren’t interested in opening your mind, please stop reading here. If you’d prefer to continue believing in the fairytale of American exceptionalism, you can subscribe to the establishment’s whitewashed narrative of the implosion of the Death Star by just picking up a cop…
If you're not American, I can see why you wouldn't understand the cultural context that the article, and my response above, presumes intimate knowledge of. If you're curious, you could read Zinn's A People's History of the United States which is a pretty good primer.
> If you're not American, I can see why you wouldn't understand the cultural context that the article, and my response above, presumes intimate knowledge of.
Where did I indicate that I didn't understand it? I have American family and friends.
I simply pointed out why calling someone a "White Boy" could be considered inflammatory, and you responded with a non-sequitor implying that I'm trying to ignore America's problems.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree that it is offensive. He's an elite, based on his education. And I guess he was high-IQ, too. He's probably Jewish, too, and history tells us that (some, not all) Jewish people have only been considered "white" until recently. Lesson: race is relative, and this author of the article is race-baiting for clicks.
Italian American here, my mom wasn't considered "white" until she was an adult. That was then, I'm white now. Did you read the article? I'm not sure it counts as "baiting for clicks" when he spends half of the article talking about the history and structure of the American caste system and how SBF's (perceived) status as a white male impacted his trajectory. I don't think it's bait, when it's the thrust of the essay.
> how SBF's (perceived) status as a white male impacted his trajectory. I don't think it's bait, when it's the thrust of the essay.
It's provocative and dishonest for him to not once acknowledge SBF's privileged circumstances or well-connected family, something which directly aided in his success and that the vast majority of people wouldn't be able to replicate. The post is generally well-written and makes some salient points, but it's obvious that the author shoe-horned in SBF. A different person, like the topically relevant Elizabeth Holmes, may have made a more cohesive argument.
> It's still clearly provocative to suggest Bankman-Fried's Stanford educated, genuinely "privileged" upbringing as the son of well known Stanford professors is somehow reflective of hundreds of millions of people rather than his own circumstances. Doing something for clickbait doesn't somehow make it not provocative.
Re: How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
#37Author is Arthur Hayes, founder of the late crypto exchange BitMEX. The essay is less inflammatory than the title suggests, and I read it for the finance insights—- after all BitMEX was accused of frontrunning customers (too?) https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/the-rise-and-fall-of...
Interesting quote from this article: “ As a student at Penn, I received a crash course education on the finer nuances of whiteness. The Fraternity system allowed the groups of same-caste whites to congregate together. There were Jewish, Southern White, WASP, and International White frats. While they didn’t put a billboard up saying “if you are not this or that, please don’t apply”, everyone surmised pretty quickly wh…
The situation is probably less racially charged these days thanks to the diversity movement but — one man’s politically incorrect accuracy is another’s insane framing? I have no rat in the race race but where I went to school (a R1 uni) tribally segregated frats and student clubs were huge part of the background. Police would often intervene in racially motivated incidents involving residents. I would be surprised if all that disappeared. There were native american and Latino living arrangements, which exuded a subtle sort of animosity towards the larger community. The Ukrainian and Russian clubs are still probably not that friendly towards one another. Not to mention the Jewish dorm vs the Muslim societies.
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#38The title of this article is pretty offensive. I don’t want to read it. Is there some context that makes the racial slur appropriate here? Or we allow it because racism against white people is in vogue?
Are you saying that white boy is a racial slur?
As a white boy, this is pretty funny to me.
Re: How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
#39The title of this article is pretty offensive. I don’t want to read it. Is there some context that makes the racial slur appropriate here? Or we allow it because racism against white people is in vogue?
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Re: How SBF(FTX) used his status as the right kind of "White Boy" to con the world.
#40Author is Arthur Hayes, founder of the late crypto exchange BitMEX. The essay is less inflammatory than the title suggests, and I read it for the finance insights—- after all BitMEX was accused of frontrunning customers (too?) https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/the-rise-and-fall-of...
Interesting quote from this article: “ As a student at Penn, I received a crash course education on the finer nuances of whiteness. The Fraternity system allowed the groups of same-caste whites to congregate together. There were Jewish, Southern White, WASP, and International White frats. While they didn’t put a billboard up saying “if you are not this or that, please don’t apply”, everyone surmised pretty quickly wh…
There is something to the “not the right kind of white” take, though it isn’t so much white as a cultural elite which happens to be 99.99% white. Consider that Nouriel Roubini, who is the right kind of white by Hayes def (academic, child of elites) hasn’t tried to publicly accuse SBF of fraud, while having gone further against CZ and Arthur. Consider that Brian Armstrong, not being the right kind of white, has gotten hit pieces from NYT.. Consider that headlining econo-digerati of the colored variety is wildly a non thing