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Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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The same happened to Modi, the PM of India, if my memory serves me right. He was banned from entering USA for his deeds, until he turned out to be the head of India. Apparently your only way out is to be the head of your state, if you have done something evil.

> Your only way out is to be the head of your state.

Or a diplomat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Harry_Dunn

Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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To be clear, the US is the largest oil producer in the world, and is a net exporter of oil.[1][2] (Shale is a large part of that growth in the last decade) The US benefits when oil prices increase. If you want to speculate on the geopolitical reasons for this action, it could be to help the allies of the US by driving oil prices down through OPEC production plans. If you want to speculate on the domestic reasons for…

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Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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It's just how it works unfortunately. Imagine if the whole world should justifiably call for arresting three decades of US presidents and generals over all the murders and deaths in the middle east, how would that work? Would you agree to it?

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We want to be green so we're trying to stop drilling for oil. But we also need oil because our society runs on it. This guy has oil. This guy can therefore do whatever he likes. This is obviously way better than drilling at home.

The most controversial thing in recent times (here in Canada too) isn't even drilling, it's moving oil efficiently over pipelines vs via dirty trucks and busy rail lines. There's much more opportunity for political activism when pipes go over lots of small pieces of land vs drilling one big piece of land.

Pipelines are notoriously dirty, since the owners can't seem to stop them from leaking, spilling, blowing up, or otherwise malfunctioning. Wikipedia has a handy list of lists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipeline_accidents_in_.... If somebody wanted to put an oil pipeline near my property I'd definitely wouldn't feel safe with it there.

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This is called "Realpolitik": international relations are meant to serve your national interests, not ethical principles. By now, the main national interest in the West is to not give oil money to the psychotic butcher in Moscow. The Saudi butcher is a little less psychotic by comparison.

There are dozens of philosophers that advanced this idea: Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, Thomas Hobbes,...

Many of the most famous statesmen in history were followers of this principle: Richelieu, Frederik the Great, Von Clausewitz, Otto Von Bismark, Metternich, Henry Kissinger,... Unsurprisingly, many of them were Germans. And none of them was a nice person.

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I thought the rule of law was the reason behind the endless quest to disqualify Trump from being the President or running for the Presidency, but actually heads of state can sawzall barely-critical journalists into a pile of body parts as a fee for a marriage license.

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This is called "Realpolitik": international relations are meant to serve your national interests, not ethical principles. By now, the main national interest in the West is to not give oil money to the psychotic butcher in Moscow. The Saudi butcher is a little less psychotic by comparison. There are dozens of philosophers that advanced this idea: Sun Tzu, Machiavelli, Thomas Hobbes,... Many of the most famous statesme…

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Re: Mohammed bin Salman: Saudi leader given US immunity over Khashoggi killing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

America runs a close import/export balance now for oil. Please stop repeating twitter talking points until they become truth. https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/

Oil prices abroad affect oil prices at home.

I wonder how much cheaper Oil would be if we attacked SA after 911 instead of Iraq.
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