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But, aren't you folks web2?

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Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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For the first time my anger over crypto moves into genuine concern. Is an entire generation of young people experiencing a kind of "pokemonisation" of crypto well into early adulthood? In other words, is a generation of 20-somethings wasting the better part of that decade on this tech, in these scams? If so, this feels new (?). We're not talking about the chain-letter crazes of the 20s/30s, the housewife pyramid sche…

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Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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When I attended Web Summit last year, this was the most common thing the 20 year olds would ask at any of the bars. Are you web3? If not I don't want to talk to you ... And I was just thinking - "Well, I don't even..."

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Having a web3 startup is just as inane as having a mongodb startup. Those technologies don‘t make anything possible that wasn‘t possible before. In any case: We are talking about this buzzwords for ~8 years now. Is there a list of useful web3 offerings by now? Any heavy hitters, killer applications? Anything besides wacky money making schemes like virtual sneakers?

> Having a web3 startup is just as inane as having a mongodb startup. Those technologies don‘t make anything possible that wasn‘t possible before.

This is not true. The blockchain was/is a genuine technicalogical advance. It makes things possible that weren't before. From Wikipedia:

"The implementation of the blockchain within bitcoin made it the first digital currency to solve the double-spending problem without the need of a trusted authority or central server."

Now it's certainly true that, just like MongoDB before it, overzealous people are trying to capitalize on the fad and insert "blockchain" into places where it doesn't make any sense. But there's a very important distinction between that and your statement.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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This is not a commentary on the article itself - I don't have an opinion on it.

Most people who have experienced the pre-2000s web can tell what Web 2.0 was. It was a cultural shift in how apps were designed and used, and while the term was vague you could actually tell the difference as a user (eg: encyclopedias v/s wikis). At that point people were similarly critical of the term Web 2.0, and they weren't entirely wrong. The underlying tech wasn't all that different - but the product certainly was.

Web 3.0 as an idea is even bigger than what Web 2.0 was. It is fundamentally different in every way; the tech, the money, the trust, the product. Web 3.0 might fail, but only because it might be a radical idea ahead of its time; not because the term is meaningless.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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For the first time my anger over crypto moves into genuine concern. Is an entire generation of young people experiencing a kind of "pokemonisation" of crypto well into early adulthood? In other words, is a generation of 20-somethings wasting the better part of that decade on this tech, in these scams? If so, this feels new (?). We're not talking about the chain-letter crazes of the 20s/30s, the housewife pyramid sche…

Capitalism means that the best and the brightest are working on what makes the most money not on what society needs.

However one should not overstate sociopaths. Lots of people are still going into healthcare or teaching because there's more to life than money.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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This blog post already puts way more thought into whatever "web3" is than web3 advocates do. Everything must be web3 because web3 is cool, it's the future, it's got electrolytes, it's what plants crave. It's a meaningless cargo cult.

It's a bit of a straw man. Just because web3 includes many things, doesn't mean it's meaningless. Even if it makes the term harder to grasp for outsiders.

I would be wary of groups that rely in a strong in-group/out-group separation, where the outsiders can't understand the truthfulness and inherent value of an ideology relying on a complex web of interrelated concepts, while the insiders, who are deeply invested in both time and money into this ideology, treat it as self-evident.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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>> "Now, web3 is a broad wildcard term that seems to revolve around a large number of concepts including decentralisation, self-sovereignty, privacy, free speech, censorship, security, BigTech, BigGov, democracy, human rights[3], monetisation, royalties, art, trust, digital rights, ownership, assets, property, proofs, cryptography, wallets … all somehow connected to a blockchain. One would be hard pressed to think of…

Web 2.0 was more about letting users creating the content not about SPA, Web 3.0 about the semantic web that never came to be except some niche areas, and now rebranded for crypto :P

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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For the first time my anger over crypto moves into genuine concern. Is an entire generation of young people experiencing a kind of "pokemonisation" of crypto well into early adulthood? In other words, is a generation of 20-somethings wasting the better part of that decade on this tech, in these scams? If so, this feels new (?). We're not talking about the chain-letter crazes of the 20s/30s, the housewife pyramid sche…

When I graduated, mobile was the big thing. That's old now. So, what to do to make a name for you? What big new field is there where you don't have to compete with people that have 10 times the experience than you? Independently of what you think web3 might solve or doesn't solve, it's still just programming. Someone learning cryptography and coding will get a job in other places.

React/javascript is still a moving target, so a junior will easily catch up with someone with 10 times more experience

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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"In the web3 crypto world, big venture capital is the biggest champion of decentralisation, self-sovereignty, free speech, and anti-BigTech efforts?"

This is a function of a hostile SEC and regulatory regime to the concept of decentralized fundraising. Everyone is afraid of being labeled a security. Most recently, LBRY, a decentralized YouTube-like startup that seemed to have their heart in the right place and built a functional product, was declared to be a security. But no one in government went after SBF's FTT token, which was being not only securitized but used as collateral to cover billion dollar holes in their books.

In 2017, many projects raised ETH in the form of ICOs. A lot of projects went bust. But a few turned out great, including Filecoin, Chainlink, 0xProtocol, Gnosis, and others. A retail investor in these did extremely well, earning 10-100x or more in some cases. But the 2018 bear market coupled with a reinvigorated regulatory regime dictated that projects could only safely raise via traditional VC model. This is all because of so-called "accredited investor" laws in the US that dictate that one must have a $1 million net worth or earn more than $200K a year to be considered accredited and eligible to participate in fundraises.

I think the wealth based requirement for fundraising is ludicrous and it deprives retail investors of potential life changing returns. Wealth based tests for legal privileges or rights ought to be illegal. A 100x return on investment can change someone's life. It can give someone a real chance at accruing wealth for themselves. But the current structure is designed so that progressive rounds of rich people participate in a series of fundraising, which dilutes the shares so much that by the time a company goes to IPO or a protocol releases a token, the max value has often been extracted.

After viewing Sequoia's puff piece on SBF and FTX, and the sheer number of players that invested hundreds of millions without any kind of due diligence into security models or client account protection frameworks, you have to wonder what purpose these accredited investor laws serve. Many wealthy players demonstrated brazen stupidity and blind trust. Many retail investors, meanwhile, called out the FTX scandal and were lambasted for it.

I'm old enough to remember the Web 2.0 moniker in the early 00s. The idea was similarly generic, but mostly dealt with the theme of user generated content powering advanced interactive applications with often realtime features that didn't require refreshing the page.

Web3 is and always has been about the idea of user and community sovereignty over the content that is generated. I view it as a natural extension of the web, and even though blockchain is one useful tool to achieve this, it's not the only tool. I think this movement is bigger than VCs, and I think the long term implications have yet to be felt, as everyone is still dealing with crude early iterations of the concept. It will continue to evolve, but it's not going back in the genie bottle. I'm never going to tire of the idea of having sovereignty over my money, my content, my social relationships, or my privacy.

Re: But, aren't you folks web2?

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Isn't it happening all the time? Web3, crypto, AI, kubernetes, microservices, docker, server side rendering, SPA, react, graphql, backend in frontend, DevOps, DevSecOps, fullstack, mongodb, new features in mongodb that mimic sql, Restful, mobile, django/rails, agile, kanban. Some of them make sense, some of them make sense for some of the people, some will be forgotten from history. And those forgotten, will reemerge…

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