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The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

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Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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I didn't realize French was written with spaces before colons. It might be time to lose that space, similar to how we don't double space after period. I'm not saying G.Docs or any editor should dictate how French is written, only being pragmatic if I have to choose between (no space): or unwanted emojis ending up in docs.

We used to double-space after a period because that looked better on monospaced typewriters. But in French it's simply a part of punctuation, and getting it wrong means you wrote it wrong. It's as wrong as if I'm writing English and put a space before the ':' or '!', or put a comma after a quotation mark. French people shouldn't have to change their language to type in Google Docs. It should be the other way around.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Personally, I don't. I live in Muenchen, not München. When strictly needed, CTRL+C/CTRL+V from a Google search makes the trick.

When writing email/docs, autocorrector for the win.

Same thing in Italian: `e instead of è. Although, the German replacement is cleaner, I'd say.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

⌥u creates the two dots, then you press the key for the vowel to put underneath. ⌥s creates the ß. (Both obviously only applicable for Macs)

That would be… inconvenient. That’s not how I use it. I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed by a vocal I need to “confirm” the quotes with space before typing the vocal.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

Stuff like this is super, super common. Even where you have things like CTRL + X/C/V for cut/copy/paste it's clear that the letters were picked to be near each other - but then often the shortcuts will remain the same even on keyboards where those keys are nowhere near each other. This can be one of the reasons that switching to Dvorak can be super hard, all the shortcuts become quite weird unless you remap them each…

Yeah, if I could go back in time I would have told my younger self that it's okay to use something other than qwerty, and it's okay to use vim, but trying to to do both was a hilariously terrible idea.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Not GP but I use a similar setup. I have an "extended" US keyboard layout where AltGr+(location of character on native keyboard layout) types the character. For example, AltGr+[ is "ü". I find this more convenient than the compose-like approaches suggested elsewhere in this thread.

I use it because programming language syntax is mostly ergonomic only on US-like layouts, e.g. typing "{" causes a lot of strain if you have to do it on every other line.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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I didn't realize French was written with spaces before colons. It might be time to lose that space, similar to how we don't double space after period. I'm not saying G.Docs or any editor should dictate how French is written, only being pragmatic if I have to choose between (no space): or unwanted emojis ending up in docs.

>if I have to choose between (no space): or unwanted emojis ending up in docs

We absolutely do not have to choose between those two things. We need to stop implementing cute automatic bullshit that makes assumptions about the way people interact with UIs.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

There's loads of ways. Dead keys is one, the compose key is another suitable one for multilingual folk. I can write ä ö ü ß pretty much automatically with the compose key on a US layout, as well as any é ë ê ü I might need in Dutch.

In the Netherlands letters with diacritics don't even have their own key (Dutch computers tend to use US plus €).

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Personally, I don't. I live in Muenchen, not München. When strictly needed, CTRL+C/CTRL+V from a Google search makes the trick. When writing email/docs, autocorrector for the win. Same thing in Italian: `e instead of è. Although, the German replacement is cleaner, I'd say.

> I live in Muenchen, not München

As someone from Espanya, I welcome you to the club.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Using xkb map us(intl-unicode) it's a then alt gr + shift + " (I'm not totally sure if that's the correct, and ß is alt-gr + s.
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