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Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

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This is just the latest round of cuts at Amazon: "From April through September, it reduced head count by almost 80,000 people, primarily shrinking its hourly staff through high attrition." Also: "Amazon froze hiring in several smaller teams in September. In October, it stopped filling more than 10,000 open roles in its core retail business. Two weeks ago, it froze corporate hiring across the company, including its cl…

There's a big difference between reducing the number of hourly workers (warehouse, drivers) and cutting 10,000 corporate jobs.

Re: Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

#32
This is weird because I'm in the middle of the interview process with a division of Amazon.

Disclaimer:

I have a job and haven't been actively looking, but recruiters will reach out and I'll usually go through the interview process if only to practice.

And here we go:

I got the initial email around the middle of September for one particular division. As I went through the initial assessment, that division "met their hiring goals" and I was transferred to another division.

Through September and October, I organized the virtual on-site. And my interview was scheduled for last week. The weeks prior, as we know, the shit hit all the fans. I fully expected to get a "too bad, so sad" email saying my interview was cancelled. It wasn't. I went through the interview and I'm waiting to hear back currently.

But yeah, I would not be surprised to get a rejection. But from the point of view of my experience, nothing they've done or said has made anything seem off.

Re: Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

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> In 2018, Echo and Alexa lost about $5 billion, said a person with knowledge of the finances. When Amazon introduced new devices this fall in an annual event, it was notably more restrained than past years when it had featured zany products like a sticky note printer and $1,000 home robot. $5B loss from one business line is a lot. Maybe this manner of investment inspired Zuck on the metaverse.

$5B is around 1% of their (current) trailing 4 quarter revenue, which I would say is "not outrageous" if voice/home assistants is an area of growth and investment for Amazon.

Why would a 2022 article be citing a 2018 loss figure for a almost surely (if my house is any indication) fast-growing segment?

Re: Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

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And they say we are not in a recession.

I think these moves are possible if we're not in a recession. If Amazon underperformed over the year, and its earnings are lower than estimated, they could be simply cutting costs in Q4 to offset the lowered earnings. The cause of that underperformance is really what would tell you if we're headed for a recession and Amazon has their fingers in so many pies it'd be hard to attribute laying off 1/150th of their workforce to the overall economy I think.

That this is happening at a number of big tech companies isn't a surprise I don't think. The biggest layoffs this year so far have been at companies that made large scale changes (Meta, Twitter) or over-hired over the course of the pandemic when that level of business turned out not to be permanent (Stripe, Shopify).

It's possible that this is industry-specific. Tech companies exploded during the pandemic if they had anything to do with stuff you do indoors, and this is the real "post-pandemic" year (talking economically).

Other industries which took it on the chin during the pandemic are recovering well this year, notably anything travel-related seems to be doing incredibly well and some companies are on track for banner years.

That said, I suspect we're going to see a few quarters of stagnant growth (0% to 0.3%) or mild contraction (0% to -0.3%), maybe not enough in a row to declare recession.

Re: Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

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post #31

This is just the latest round of cuts at Amazon: "From April through September, it reduced head count by almost 80,000 people, primarily shrinking its hourly staff through high attrition." Also: "Amazon froze hiring in several smaller teams in September. In October, it stopped filling more than 10,000 open roles in its core retail business. Two weeks ago, it froze corporate hiring across the company, including its cl…

There's a big difference between reducing the number of hourly workers (warehouse, drivers) and cutting 10,000 corporate jobs.

Agreed. I'm just illustrating that it's part of an ongoing pattern at Amazon. Not some new, shocking thing. I'd expect more in the future.

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There has been a lot of talk about a correction coming and a bubble bursting specifically in tech for years now. Is this it?

If so it’s very mild so far

Agreed, these recent moves are not a great sign, but the dot com crash was so much worse from a people and company perspective.

The moment that sticks with me is (former) employees wheeling all the Herman Miller chairs through the parking lot with the facilities guy holding the door open saying "Take it. Take it all..."

Re: Amazon is said to plan to lay off thousands of employees

#40

There has been a lot of talk about a correction coming and a bubble bursting specifically in tech for years now. Is this it?

Probably? But it's mostly just a return to sanity at this point, though it probably will overshoot as these things usually do. Meta going from 47K employees in 2019 to 81K employees in about 3 years was just crazy, for example. How do you even assimilate that many new employees in such a short time?

> But it's mostly just a return to sanity at this point,

That's what the word "correction" implies: That it's going down, not because the business itself is bad or anything in the market has fundamentally changed, but because it was valued "incorrectly" (where "insane" would be an extreme form of "incorrectness"), and that its value is being "corrected".

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