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You Can Forget About Crypto Now

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Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

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post #26

Goodbye CEX meanwhile Chia Network has launched a new capability called Offers, a native peer-to-peer exchange capability. No counterparty risk. No middleman custodian. No additional fees. Offers allow “Makers” and “Takers” – buyers and sellers – to seamlessly create and accept trade offers all from the privacy of their Chia wallet. Offers allow two people who have never met to propose and complete a trade in a way t…

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Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

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post #3

> despite the ricketiness of the whole system, despite the constant feeling that everything might fall apart at any moment, there will come a time when crypto really arrives. For me crypto was always Ponzi scheme and nothing more, but it is because I don't laundry money or sell drugs, so I am not the target for crypto.

Tell that to Argentinians, Venezuelans, Iranians where US dollar stablecoins are much more popular among general population. For different reasons: - easier & safer to store - much more stable than their countries own currency - not controlled by the regime And they will likely keep using it, despite major crypto exchanges crashing down, or despite the unclear dangers of USDT.

There is a stark disconnect between valid crypto scenarios and where the money proportionally actually comes from, that the crypto proponents seem a little too happy to gloss over (who also ironically are the furthest away from being benefactors apart from speculation and speculative fiction) which to this day gives the community a weird cult vibe.

Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

#35

I can't imagine this ageing well. It doesn't feel different. The evangelists will hurt and the whole crypto industry is set back, the cynics gloat and revel in the schadenfreude and claim for the 748th time that crypto is dead... Until 12 months later when we do it all over again. It's not the biggest, it's not the first, it won't be the last, it's nowhere near the most catastrophic. At least let the dust settle befo…

> The fall of Sam Bankman-Fried, and the more-than-likely fall of many more firms in the immediate future, has sapped much of that hope.

> Now it’s hard to imagine a near- or even a medium-term future where crypto has a fraction of the influence it did six months ago.

Is he really that wrong?

The short term future for crypto looks pretty bad, there's no denying it.

I'd say the medium term isn't looking that great either.

...because of FTX? No, because the medium term outlook for the whole economy is pretty bleak, and no amount of rubbing your fingers together and finding some more magical tokens is going to fix that.

I think this article won't age particularly badly. It's basically saying someone screwed up, and they did.

/shrug

Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

#36
It's business as usual. When the current crisis/recession ends (probably spring 2024) and there are again billions and billions of cheap dollars looking for investment opportunities the crypto will jump back up.

Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

#37
post #3

> despite the ricketiness of the whole system, despite the constant feeling that everything might fall apart at any moment, there will come a time when crypto really arrives. For me crypto was always Ponzi scheme and nothing more, but it is because I don't laundry money or sell drugs, so I am not the target for crypto.

Tell that to Argentinians, Venezuelans, Iranians where US dollar stablecoins are much more popular among general population. For different reasons: - easier & safer to store - much more stable than their countries own currency - not controlled by the regime And they will likely keep using it, despite major crypto exchanges crashing down, or despite the unclear dangers of USDT.

"stablecoins" are not decentralized. If you're going to trust a central issuing and custodial authority for a coin, do you even need crypto technology in the first place?

Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

#38
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is also what makes it impossible. Trust is a prerequisite to any commercial exchange, since it requires at least two different parties. Big centralized systems use a third party for “scam protection”. Math alone can’t replace trust.

Who are you gonna trust? Government or a crypto exchange? As you point out, trusting no one is not an option if you want to transact. Right now, trusting government looks like the better option. And crypto has done nothing but provide proof.

Always trust a government for money related stuff. Take the USA. The US government doesn't tax much, protects the wealthy and is able to project it's sovereignty all over the world. Billionaires love living and banking in America and don't find the regulatory environment too tough to navigate. Crypto kids love to think that btc and other 'asset' classes are like some prepper version of money. When really nothing beats have a stack of cash in a good bank. Seriously, some generic S&P tracking ETF reinvesting dividends is a better store of wealth than most of the crypto assets. And that whole trustless banking shtick is totally overblown. If you;re going to do business or crime, people are going to want to establish trust first.

Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to Argentinians, Venezuelans, Iranians where US dollar stablecoins are much more popular among general population. For different reasons: - easier & safer to store - much more stable than their countries own currency - not controlled by the regime And they will likely keep using it, despite major crypto exchanges crashing down, or despite the unclear dangers of USDT.

I just did. None of them ever heard of crypto. It might seem like crypto is all the rage online, but most people don't actually live in this bubble.

You managed to canvass Iranians, Venezuelans and Argentinians in 9 minutes flat?

Re: You Can Forget About Crypto Now

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I can't imagine this ageing well. It doesn't feel different. The evangelists will hurt and the whole crypto industry is set back, the cynics gloat and revel in the schadenfreude and claim for the 748th time that crypto is dead... Until 12 months later when we do it all over again. It's not the biggest, it's not the first, it won't be the last, it's nowhere near the most catastrophic. At least let the dust settle befo…

If Mt.Gox didn't kill crypto & BTC back in the early days, it's super unlikely FTX is going to kill crypto. What is also unlikely to change is HN general opinion on crypto :)

There were far fewer everyday people around the ecosystem when Mt. Gox imploded. The number of ‘normies’ that have told me stories of themselves or people they know losing money in crypto has spiked this year, and each big crash there is, the more people who will be burned. So I think it’s certainly possible that the booms will get much smaller as more people check out each bust and as the next big crypto scams blow up.
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