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Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

#31
Speaking as a white, working-class kid who got a good education, worked hard, had some amazing luck, and is now an affluent, heteronormative, relatively high-status parent:

What a load of horseshit.

Yes, my wife and I teach our kids about the value of hard work, even as we recognize that there was a big element of luck and privilege involved in our success. It takes nothing away from our self-esteems to say that, even though, yes, we worked hard and continue to work hard. But we had some lucky breaks. And to be frank, I've screwed up a lot in my life and my career, and I've always been given another chance. Nobody ever said about me, "well, what did you expect? He's just a white heterosexual christian male, after all."

So is it a contradiction that we acknowledge our privilege and our good fortune, while teaching our children to work hard? Of course it isn't. Life is far more complicated than that, which this author, in his quest for a simple either/or framework and a pithy line, seems to forget.

There is also literally no one in our social circle, or anyone that I know of in our larger social media set, who advocates "defund the police." I would like to see police de-emphasize military-style equipment and training. I would like to see police trained to treat members of the public as citizens, rather than as enemy combatants. I would like to see fewer of them armed. I would like to see police officers who kill held accountable. I would like to see police cultivate better relationships with people of color. Are these "luxury beliefs"? I don't think so, but my beliefs are far too nuanced to be caricatured as "defund the police." Once again, though, the author needs something short and snappy, so that's what he's going with.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

#32

Even if the larger idea of luxury beliefs is true, the choice of "defund the police" as one is really bizarre to me. No one benefits more from the existence of the police than those who would harbor these luxury beliefs.

Defund the Police actually means "reallocate much of the funding that goes into traditional police agencies into community services better suited/trained to diffuse/mitigate/prevent societal problems"

It's just the absolute worst branding possible for the movement.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

#33

> And what seems to happen is that affluent people often broadcast how they owe their success to luck. But then they tell their own children about the importance of hard work and individual effort. I don't find any of this stuff is true. If I had a dime for every time some less unsuccessful person say that the affluent are just lucky to have been born into the right environment, or that such and such successful compa…

> You're just not supposed to attribute all your successes to yourself.

Because it's very rarely true. Yes perhaps the individual performance of an actor is their own, but how much of the overall performance could be attributed them realistically?

People pick up on conceit and sanctimony pretty easily.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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Huh, I've only heard about luxury beliefs in the context of trans people. I'm sure the social cachet of blue hair and pronouns outweighs all the other stuff.

I can see supporting trans people but not being trans yourself as a luxury belief.

Can you articulate how what you said here is materially different from say:

"I can see supporting jewish people but not being a jew yourself as a luxury belief."

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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The poll options are: 1. Police Departments don't need to be reformed 2. Police departments have a problem with race but the problem can be fixed by reforming the current system 3. Police reform hasn't worked. We need to defund police and reinvent our approach to public safety. I don't like the branding of "defund the police" but I'd still choose 3. Not because I live in an elite gated community and can afford to col…

I hate multiple choice polls whose options aren't exhaustive. I'm closer to #2... police departments have problems, but the system can be reformed. But I don't think it's particularly a race issue, and wouldn't want to pick an option casting it as such.

In my country, this is mostly a class issue.

Ten years ago, i was basically a social worker, and had a friend who happened to be a native peruvian (not a latino at all, so black-skinned, but clearly south american chin and overall face), adopted by upper middle-class parents.

When he was young, he had no accent, had a curb chain and a small cross, a weird (but tame) haircut, and old/tight clothes (you know, christian private school type).

He then started to listen to rock and rap music, wore hoodies and jeans, and shaved his head. Basic adolescent stuff. His encounters with the police increased tremendously at that time, and also weirdly never managed to hitchhike (he lived in a relatively small city, but still a city. Maybe he never tried). At least according to him. Three years later, he understood, and started to dress himself better: tight T-shirts, non-baggy jeans, nice, professionnal haircut, and put his curb chain back (that's when i met him). He had not been interrogated or asked an ID for several years after.

I still think the skin color matters for law enforcment btw, but i'm pretty sure this is a class issue.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

#36

> They can afford to hold this position, because they already live in safe, often gated communities. And they can afford to hire private security. I think this represents a fundamental difference in how people perceive "safety" and where it comes from. The author seems to suggest that wealthy individuals feel safe because they have access to additional security measures such as gates or private guards. I've seen this…

Yeah, personally I'd say that seeing private security often makes me feel significantly less safe. Not because I'm afraid of being targeted by them, but because their presence suggests that there's some need for them. The actually safe places have decorative gates, not gates intended to keep anyone out.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

#37
Oh no, this isn't the "virtue signaling" argument again, is it? I like to call this the Joker Argument: "Underneath you're no different than me, Batman!". It's a great argument because you can use it in any situation against any opponent, because it is contentless. And the effect is to attack your opponent's character and claim that they don't really mean what they are saying, which justifies your own selfish motivations while trying to paint the other person as a hypocrite. But it's just another ad hominem attack. And it's obviously false too: you can't know what another person's motivations are, and to say that you do is putting words in someone else's mouth. In that sense it's a form of straw man attack too as you are setting up an imaginary version of the other person to knock down. If you are using an argument like this, it's a clear sign that you don't have any real argument left to make. It's an act of desperation. Let's not do this, folks.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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I don’t think the author understands what people mean when they say “defund the police”.

I read an interesting article blog post some time ago about "sanewashing" [1] Sanewashing is the process by which radical policies get watered down - as a political movement becomes more mainstream, every new member wants to be able to explain the movement to their parents, and so chooses a slightly less radical, easier to understand interpretation. This happens over and over again until you reach the point where the…

I'd call it the motte-and-bailey fallacy. They really want the more radical version, but they pretend they mean the less radical version when people oppose them.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means reallocating funds and responsibilities to social services. Or, firing entire police departments and building a new one from scratch with a different mandate - like the wildly successful Camden NJ experiment.

It does mean that now , after a couple years of fervent back-tracking. That was not the initial implication nor inference.

A lot of people have been trying to misdefine and mischaracterize it from the very start.

Largely people who get angry at the idea that black lives might matter.

Re: Luxury beliefs are status symbols

#40

A lot of the newly popular ideologies start to make sense when you consider: 1. Peer pressure / virtue signalling / peacockery 2. Replacement guilt/shame hitching a ride on the decline of Christian values 3. Disassociation from reality, either due to physical distance (money) or mental distance (tech enabled social bubble)

> A lot of the newly popular ideologies start to make sense when you consider:

> 1. Peer pressure / virtue signalling / peacockery

Shouldn't this be less true in a world where we all have anonymous or pseudo-anonymous online personas? I don't need to virtue signal on HN or reddit, I upvote, downvote, and post according to what I actually feel.

This compared to 50 years ago where ostensibly if I advocated something controversial I would have to say it to others' face.

> 2. Replacement guilt/shame hitching a ride on the decline of Christian values

I don't know what this means. Are you suggesting all people have some inherent level of guilt and without Christianity it funnels into other beliefs?

> 3. Disassociation from reality, either due to physical distance (money) or mental distance (tech enabled social bubble)

Agreed on this

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