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The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by stuntkite »

CobaltFire wrote: post #27
stuntkite wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very interesting. My homunculus is very ears forward. A lot of my work and fun revolves around my relationship with sound. I did a hearing test last year. It was fine. I have not directly noticed any issues with my hearing, but I recognize that the types of things I might be experiencing might not be so much perceived as hearing but more as orientation, balance, or even be queues to memory that could be altered. If y…

The actual name of the test I had is Videonystagmography. It identified not just the issue but the actual specific structure that was giving me issues. This has no impact on hearing, so wouldn't be caught by those tests.

Hell yes. This is the exact info I wanted. Thank you.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by anonAndOn »

stuntkite wrote: post #6

I got OG Covid very early in 2020. I had something like a heart attack about six months later. It has not reoccurred. I suspect I had something kind of like a stroke a bit ago. The event was accompanied with very terrifying and specific neurological event. A loud noise that was only inside my head and unreal "sounding" that worked like a corkscrew from the right side of my head to the front while my vision dimmed. I…

Sorry about your troubles. I agree with your hypothesis that COVID does more damage when given the right scaffold and that underlying conditions lay the groundwork for lasting damage. Have you considered your problems may be clot related?[0]

[0]https://twitter.com/drclairetaylor/status/158936959572682342...

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by mmastrac »

stuntkite wrote: post #14
mmastrac wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low dose aspirin worked for me, YMMV.

There's a balance with that sort of thing though. Thinner blood to alleviate the constriction, if kept constant can cause other problems. Definitely not the worst band aid in the world though.

Definitely - it's mostly to clear out the cobwebs and get back to normal rather than a long-term thing.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by anonAndOn »

dm03514 wrote: post #19
duncancarroll wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry. I got Omicron in January '22 despite being double vaxx'd, and I felt totally fine until 3-4 mo. later when I started to get recurrent dizzy spells, major fatigue, and bouts of anxiety, which are all very unusual for me. Checkup / bloodwork showed nothing. I am 41 y.o. who exercise regularly, does not smoke, rarely drinks, etc. So far I can still function and maintain a job, but it makes me wonder what's go…

I had an 8 week dizzy spell in fall of 2020. Never had anything like it before, didn’t have any other symptoms. Went to ENT and ears were completely fine. I have no idea if it was anxiety or Covid, but the dizziness was disorienting, at the worst I couldn’t walk , it felt like I was on a boat. During this time I had anxiety attacks almost non stop-triggered by the vertigo. As soon as I started to notice the vertigo I…

Covid can do some strange stuff. FWIW, I've found the Epley maneuver helpful with BPPV.[0]

[0]http://sanfordhealth.staywellhealthlibrary.com/Search/134,51...

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by nradov »

mmastrac wrote: post #9

I think we'll discover that the post-vax myocarditis and pericarditis were caused by pre-existing, latent COVID infections. This probably means that there's a large number of people walking around with completely asymptomatic infections until the body attacks it either because of a vaccination or it finally stumbles across it and generates an immune response.

Unlikely. Your hypothesis wouldn't explain the significantly higher rate of vaccine induced myocarditis in young males compared to females. Infection rates are similar between the sexes so there must be something else going on.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by stuntkite »

anonAndOn wrote: post #32
stuntkite wrote: post #6

I got OG Covid very early in 2020. I had something like a heart attack about six months later. It has not reoccurred. I suspect I had something kind of like a stroke a bit ago. The event was accompanied with very terrifying and specific neurological event. A loud noise that was only inside my head and unreal "sounding" that worked like a corkscrew from the right side of my head to the front while my vision dimmed. I…

Sorry about your troubles. I agree with your hypothesis that COVID does more damage when given the right scaffold and that underlying conditions lay the groundwork for lasting damage. Have you considered your problems may be clot related?[0] [0] https://twitter.com/drclairetaylor/status/158936959572682342...

Not just considered, but seems likely. I have had a lot of trouble finding the key pair values with doctors to pursue any treatment down those lines. I also have ADHD and some other issues that make the diligent pursuit of treatment that is met without collaboration to be extremely difficult. I've found that the best way to NOT get treatment is to go into a doctors office with an idea of what might be wrong with me. I get the best results when I can compose myself enough to go in and complain about symptoms until they come up with something they think will help... which most of the time is 800mg ibuprophen or some weird pill that will reduce ear wax... but after a few visits they might say "GEE IT MIGHT BE BLOOD CLOTS".

Ugh. I'm just gonna do some deep breathing in cold baths, maybe DIY a hyperbaric chamber, get better at pullups, buy a rowing machine, and cut out sugar. Likely by the time that's effective the damage done will be compounded, but at least I won't be left in a holding pattern of how fucked US medicine is.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by nradov »

heavyset_go wrote: post #28
duncancarroll wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry. I got Omicron in January '22 despite being double vaxx'd, and I felt totally fine until 3-4 mo. later when I started to get recurrent dizzy spells, major fatigue, and bouts of anxiety, which are all very unusual for me. Checkup / bloodwork showed nothing. I am 41 y.o. who exercise regularly, does not smoke, rarely drinks, etc. So far I can still function and maintain a job, but it makes me wonder what's go…

Viruses can persist in tissues after infection even if they aren't circulating throughout the body. One weird example of this is when Ebola was going around. Some patients who survived it had antibodies that fought the infection to the point where it was undetectable, but the virus had retreated to the patients' eyes[1], where it continued to replicate in cells and cause eye disease[2]. Same thing can happen with EBV…

There is no reliable evidence that coronaviruses can remain dormant in the body of a recovered patient. They don't work like herpesviruses.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by stuntkite »

heavyset_go wrote: post #28
duncancarroll wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry. I got Omicron in January '22 despite being double vaxx'd, and I felt totally fine until 3-4 mo. later when I started to get recurrent dizzy spells, major fatigue, and bouts of anxiety, which are all very unusual for me. Checkup / bloodwork showed nothing. I am 41 y.o. who exercise regularly, does not smoke, rarely drinks, etc. So far I can still function and maintain a job, but it makes me wonder what's go…

Viruses can persist in tissues after infection even if they aren't circulating throughout the body. One weird example of this is when Ebola was going around. Some patients who survived it had antibodies that fought the infection to the point where it was undetectable, but the virus had retreated to the patients' eyes[1], where it continued to replicate in cells and cause eye disease[2]. Same thing can happen with EBV…

I knew about that feature of viruses, but hadn't consider it in this context. Not that even regular COVID tests are worth a shit. Better now than 2020, but still... About as useful as tests for gonorrhea/chlamydia. If you think you need the test, then the test is a formality. Dose for the potential risk... not that we have a treatment/dose in this situation.

Thinking about this now though gives me some ideas that could even be testable that could help. Thank you for sharing this.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by onos »

capnrefsmmat wrote: post #15

When reading this sentence: > We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection. you should be careful not to interpret this as evidence of absence. The previous sentence gives confidence intervals: > Post COVID-19 infection was not associated with either myocarditis (aHR 1.08; 95% CI 0.45 to 2.56) or pericarditis (aHR 0.53; 95% CI 0…

You’ve only emphasized one side of the interval, which suggests some bias. Eg you haven’t written out that the other side implies you might have a smaller chance of these issues once you get covid. That said, it probably is reasonable to have as a prior that it’s unlikely that covid would lower your risk of these issues.

Re: The incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in unvaccinated Covid patients

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Post by stuntkite »

nradov wrote: post #37
heavyset_go wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viruses can persist in tissues after infection even if they aren't circulating throughout the body. One weird example of this is when Ebola was going around. Some patients who survived it had antibodies that fought the infection to the point where it was undetectable, but the virus had retreated to the patients' eyes[1], where it continued to replicate in cells and cause eye disease[2]. Same thing can happen with EBV…

There is no reliable evidence that coronaviruses can remain dormant in the body of a recovered patient. They don't work like herpesviruses.

Very true, but we know almost nothing about what it's doing in the body in the short or long term other than some very dramatic lethal pathologies. If you aren't experiencing something like this in your life than it's easy to wait to know what evidence is there, but if you are... Well, just because scientists that I don't know haven't published a paper doesn't mean that exploration of an idea or possibility can't have a positive effect on my outcome. Sometimes that effect might be because I've looked at that possibility so much over time that it just isn't relevant to me, even though later it might come out that the effect or subsequent compounding effect were relevant. Anyway, while what you said could be true, it presents as an absolute that is only relevant to people who aren't studying this or are afflicted with it.
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