On its two Voyager missions, NASA used (still uses!) a RS encoder/decoder that can correct up to 16 error bits per frame. It became a standard for a number of subsequent missions. This was in an era before ASICs and FPGAs yet the hardware still had to meet strict size, weight, and power requirements. Not to mention maintaining comms over distances greater than 14 billion miles and received signal strengths of 10^-16 watts. Truly humbling.
The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
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Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#32Using Reed-Solomon coding to recover from erasures (at known positions) is relatively straightforward. It can be understood with a basic knowledge of linear algebra and finite field arithmetic. Using RS for error correction (at initially unknown positions) is quite difficult. I wrote a step-by-step guide on it including demo code, and it doesn't even cover the most efficient decoding algorithm (I used PGZ instead of…
Usually, you would see RS used in a setting where any error is going to be erasure (non erasure error -> failed checksum -> erasure error). Then you use something like LDPC codes for in-packet ECC. RS for multi-packet ECC.
RS codes are also good for contexts where you don't know where the errors are. The codes are always maximum distance separable, and the algorithms to locate the errors are quite efficient.
In my experience, LDPC is usually better for soft-decision decoding, where you have information about how reliable each bit is. RS is usually better for hard-decision where you don't know anything about the error locations. Also LDPC is usually bit-oriented, and RS is always a symbol-oriented code, so RS works well for burst errors.
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#33Using Reed-Solomon coding to recover from erasures (at known positions) is relatively straightforward. It can be understood with a basic knowledge of linear algebra and finite field arithmetic. Using RS for error correction (at initially unknown positions) is quite difficult. I wrote a step-by-step guide on it including demo code, and it doesn't even cover the most efficient decoding algorithm (I used PGZ instead of…
One important stage of error correction is spreading, that use a pseudo-random function to 'spread' the damaged data over several blocks that can be then completely recovered, instead of concentrating the damage in a single block (like often happen in erasures) that cannot be recovered.
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#34I implemented the RS encoder that ended up being used on the production satellite bus for the telemetry system in space systems / Loral upgraded bus during my engineering coop in school! All in verilog. It's complicated especially the decoder but understandable with time. The turbo codes and more modern extensions that enable lte / 5g and other low power / small antenna applications are absolute black magic though. S…
Similar story. I got my first job assignment at to do a comparison of hardware for the EUMETSAT METOP ground station. This was 2004 and the leading options were custom hardware ASICs in the $1-10M range. There was a snow storm and I had ridden my bike to work, and actually got hit by a car on the way, so I didn’t really feel like trying to make it home, and $10M seemed like a lot of money when I didn’t even know how fast my new Pentium 4 desktop could do it. I slept in my office for the next three days while most of the lab took snow days, trying to write the decoder in C. How hard could it be, right? I’d never taken a CS course, and assumed it was just a little bit of bit-banging to decode a structure or whatever. It was, until I came across this error-correction thing called Reed-Solomon. I knew about CRC, and thought that was the end of the story, but this used a bunch of totally unintelligible ‘new math’ called Galois fields, and it just happened to have been invented at the place I was working at, and by the way, the guy who gave me to assignment was named Solomon, unsure of any relation to Gustave, and I felt I was setting myself up for great embarrassment. Well anyway, this place had a great library, so I read the original paper, still getting nowhere, and then a book on the subject, also unintelligible, except that it included lots of very detailed pseudo code. When the lab returned, I had something working really slowly, but the hardware engineer thought it was cool enough to keep going, and built a PCI DAQ card to read the I/Q inputs directly into the computer. Eventually I made it fast enough, order of 10Mb, and that’s how NOAA made our weather reports during the decade when NPOESS VIIRS was delayed. I adapted it to VIIRS too, but only stuck around long enough to see it used in testing. I was very proud of myself, and was recognized with an award of zero dollars and the non-exclusive right to post a reply about it on Hacker News when the topic finally came up.
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#35I really wish physical and OS network stacks would be able to give you the ability to send uncorrected bit streams. That way you can tune the error rate at the application level that makes sense. For example, with video streaming, you probably don’t need much error correction on the data stream as periodic i-frames would correct any transient glitches (you’d only bother to EC the control headers for the video). Then…
You can do it in linux, with drivers that implement packet injection. You're giving up a lot, though. I think you're right about it being a wash with regard to control overhead. In particular, because of the data ACKs, the firmware can aggressively ramp the 802.11 frame data rate up and down. Thanks to packet aggregation, the cost of the frame preamble gets amortized across all buffered up data. Letting each applicat…
CNLohr at Youtube did this to use ESP8266 at absurdly low power usage, only waking up every couple of minutes to transmit a 802.11 frame without connection handshake. https://youtu.be/I3lJWcRSlUA
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#36Using Reed-Solomon coding to recover from erasures (at known positions) is relatively straightforward. It can be understood with a basic knowledge of linear algebra and finite field arithmetic. Using RS for error correction (at initially unknown positions) is quite difficult. I wrote a step-by-step guide on it including demo code, and it doesn't even cover the most efficient decoding algorithm (I used PGZ instead of…
One important stage of error correction is spreading, that use a pseudo-random function to 'spread' the damaged data over several blocks that can be then completely recovered, instead of concentrating the damage in a single block (like often happen in erasures) that cannot be recovered.
Optical media like CDs and DVDs use a similar interleaving scheme, allowing for large amounts of errors to be corrected; in fact, even during normal operation with what appears to be a completely clean and perfect disc and drive, read errors are always occurring but corrected silently so there is no loss of data:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-interleaved_Reed%E2%80%9...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc#Surface_error_sca...
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#37This is, for example, how Amazon S3 works.
Also, how RAID works, and how ECC memory works.
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#38I think Reed-solomon should be considered in future network protocols designs to combat censorship. Every byte should be demuxed into bits and transferred in independent data streams, so MITM boxes can only intercept incomplete streams, and aggregate streams back to original would be insanely difficult. Let transport layers do only one job and no distinguish whatever the content might be inside. Currently H2 does sup…
It’s a comparatively expensive operation (CPU and memory) compared with just encrypting the information which also blinds the network operator to the same extent. Unless you’re saying that you’d send the stream across multiple disparate networks. But if you’re able to get packets out of one, what’s stopping you from getting the whole stream out that network?
> comparatively expensive operation (CPU and memory)
Which is good, because it means higher cost of middle boxes
> But if you’re able to get packets out of one, what’s stopping you from getting the whole stream out that network?
It's practically impossible, unless the MITM box were setup very close to both ends on the edge. In real world packets were routed slightly different, the server might have several IPs or CDNs, so if your middlebox were placed in backbone it will be useless as packets were transfered out-of-order and not in the same stream.
> just encrypting the information which also blinds the network operator
Yes, but the network operator was sure every information is inside one exact stream, just with a thick layer of protection, state-of-the-art classifiers are able to match metadata patterns to the individual websites, so protocol designers would then take huge amount of time to fight it. You either have a very fast TTFB protocol, or you'd have to add some padding redundancy (noise) to disguise the metadata. By metadata I mean packet length and frequency pattern.
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What is the minimum size field 2^bits for an RS(N,K) coding system? Your field size must be at least N+1, noting that you shouldn't use the value 0 in the encoding matrix. > What happens when you try to construct a Reed-Solomon code with a finite field that is too small? Your system of linear equations doesn't have enough linearly independent equations. > how could you make the encoder/decoder faster Maybe put the…
Hmm, do you mean N+K+1 (to have enough points for both the data and parity shards)? Why isn't N+K sufficient, fitting a polynomial to N points and emitting K more?
Using the notation from the article, N+K is sufficient for RS(N,K). One point of confusion is that different authors use different notation; some use RS(num data shards, num parity shards), some use RS(total num shards, num data shards), and some use RS(total num shards, num parity shards). Per the article, I'll use RS(num data shards, num parity shards).
As for where the +1 comes from, the clue is in the "noting that you shouldn't use the value 0 in the encoding matrix" remark. The TLDR is that the +1 isn't required, and arises from an (incorrect) attempt to fix an incorrect construction. The non-TLDR is rather long. First, we need to move from polynomials (per the article) to matrices (per the quoted remark). For this movement, let F denote the polynomial from the article, then it so happens that F(k+1) can be expressed as a linear combination of F(1), F(2), ..., F(k). Similarly, F(k+2) can be expressed as a linear combination of F(1), F(2), ..., F(k). This continues to be true up to F(k+t) (and beyond). These various linear combinations can be written as a k-by-t matrix, which is what the quoted remark means by "encoding matrix". Second, once thinking with matrices rather than with polynomials, people want to construct the encoding matrix directly, rather than deriving it from a polynomial. In this direct construction, the requirement is that every square submatrix (of any size) of the k-by-t matrix is invertible. Accordingly, no element of the k-by-t matrix can be zero, as the 1-by-1 submatrix containing just that zero element isn't invertible. Third, one common (but incorrect) direct construction is to create a k-by-t Vandermonde matrix. Such a matrix is usually constructed from some number of distinct elements, but if zero is used as such an element, then the resultant matrix will contain zeroes, which is problematic. Excluding zero causes the Vandermonde construction to _sometimes_ work, but it still doesn't _always_ work. Per https://www.corsix.org/content/reed-solomon-for-software-rai..., there's a slightly different Vandermonde construction that _does_ always work, and also a Cauchy construction that always works, both of which work for zero. Both of these correct constructions have a strong parallel to the polynomial construction: they involve choosing N+K distinct field elements, which is akin to choosing the N+K distinct x co-ordinates for the polynomial.
Re: The essence of Reed-Solomon coding
#40Using Reed-Solomon coding to recover from erasures (at known positions) is relatively straightforward. It can be understood with a basic knowledge of linear algebra and finite field arithmetic. Using RS for error correction (at initially unknown positions) is quite difficult. I wrote a step-by-step guide on it including demo code, and it doesn't even cover the most efficient decoding algorithm (I used PGZ instead of…
One important stage of error correction is spreading, that use a pseudo-random function to 'spread' the damaged data over several blocks that can be then completely recovered, instead of concentrating the damage in a single block (like often happen in erasures) that cannot be recovered.
By spreading, I think you're referring to interleaving https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burst_error-correcting_code#In... , which doesn't need randomness.
Pseudo-random scrambling is used in places like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64b/66b_encoding to reduce the chances of many consecutive 0s or 1s which could cause clock desynchronization between the sender and receiver.