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IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by dustfinger »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #4

Man I wished we can go back to IRC, compared to the shitshow that is discord ! Slow client, stupid login circle-jerks, desktop-clients-vs-webclient and and and. Yea yea I'm old, but dammit in "my day", it was easier to communicate and the "tech" didn't get in your way. IRC was basically a "done product" and new features were usually spearheaded via "scripts" from users with a need. It seems the "new features" in disc…

IRC isn't dead or anything like that [1]. I use it every day. I prefer it over alternative instant messaging services, i.e. discord, slack, teams etc. It has no clutter. It is simple.

[1]: https://libera.chat/

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by sedatk »

k__ wrote: post #29
foodstances wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is mostly solved with ChanServ and NickServ services. Channels can't be taken over with DDoSes because ChanServ protects them and attackers can't get your real IP because NickServ provides host masking.

Wasn't that already a thing in 2001? I was on euIRC and basically "grew up" with those services.

Yes, they were a thing even in the 90's.

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by Eupraxias »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #4

Man I wished we can go back to IRC, compared to the shitshow that is discord ! Slow client, stupid login circle-jerks, desktop-clients-vs-webclient and and and. Yea yea I'm old, but dammit in "my day", it was easier to communicate and the "tech" didn't get in your way. IRC was basically a "done product" and new features were usually spearheaded via "scripts" from users with a need. It seems the "new features" in disc…

Man, I wish you would come back to IRC.

Who else started using it in 1996, and never stopped? Lots! Who else never touched any of the social media sites. Lots!

Discord is a frustrating UI experience for me on all levels, so I just can't bring myself to even open the software.

IRC was and is awesome.

Caveat: use it for casual socializing. If you need tools for risky things like political activism, business, security, etc - don't use IRC, for many reasons.

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by sedatk »

drKarl wrote: post #2

It's hidden, but is it encrypted?

I don't know why you were downvoted, I had the same question. Port 6667 means to me that it's plaintext, but it looks like hidden services don't have the "exit node leak" problem clients have with plaintext protocols because they're not involved in the traffic with the hidden services. It looks like the traffic's encrypted all the way.

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by dontbenebby »

rawoke083600 wrote: post #4

Man I wished we can go back to IRC, compared to the shitshow that is discord ! Slow client, stupid login circle-jerks, desktop-clients-vs-webclient and and and. Yea yea I'm old, but dammit in "my day", it was easier to communicate and the "tech" didn't get in your way. IRC was basically a "done product" and new features were usually spearheaded via "scripts" from users with a need. It seems the "new features" in disc…

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Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by Eupraxias »

blueflow wrote: post #19
upofadown wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTR is inherently 1 on 1. Any idea how you can make it work for group discussions?

Nobody on IRC uses OTR, people just talk unencrypted, trusting the server. It isn't that bad tho when its your friends IRC server.

Exactly. People should use IRC as a tool for communications that don't really need encryption. If you are someone's high-value target, don't use IRC.

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by unknownaccount »

qzx_pierri wrote: post #18
rawoke083600 wrote: post #4

Man I wished we can go back to IRC, compared to the shitshow that is discord ! Slow client, stupid login circle-jerks, desktop-clients-vs-webclient and and and. Yea yea I'm old, but dammit in "my day", it was easier to communicate and the "tech" didn't get in your way. IRC was basically a "done product" and new features were usually spearheaded via "scripts" from users with a need. It seems the "new features" in disc…

I miss IRC too, but I don't miss the doxxing and DDoS nonsense. I don't have to setup a znc bouncer to connect to Discord. I don't have to take any precautions. It just works. I hate the client though, so I feel you on that. The lack of terminal integration with Discord is painful.

People can still get your ip and ddos you on discord. its just a little expensive. theres a forum where you can pay $500 for someone to send an EDR to Discord from a police email. Also there was a file attatchment bug in the wild that leaked your ip as recently as 6 months ago which im not sure was even fixed. A guy I befriended in a hacking community proved it to me.

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by rawoke083600 »

Eupraxias wrote: post #33
rawoke083600 wrote: post #4

Man I wished we can go back to IRC, compared to the shitshow that is discord ! Slow client, stupid login circle-jerks, desktop-clients-vs-webclient and and and. Yea yea I'm old, but dammit in "my day", it was easier to communicate and the "tech" didn't get in your way. IRC was basically a "done product" and new features were usually spearheaded via "scripts" from users with a need. It seems the "new features" in disc…

Man, I wish you would come back to IRC. Who else started using it in 1996, and never stopped? Lots! Who else never touched any of the social media sites. Lots! Discord is a frustrating UI experience for me on all levels, so I just can't bring myself to even open the software. IRC was and is awesome. Caveat: use it for casual socializing. If you need tools for risky things like political activism, business, security,…

any good servers/networks you could recommend?

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by mingus88 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #8
anthk wrote: post #5

Not a bad guide. However, never, EVER change your root login shell in OpenBSD. You've just opened a can of worms. Set up doas for that, and keep using zsh as your regular user if you want. Simple /etc/doas.conf: permit :wheel Use nvi from packages (it's nvi2 actually, base vi it's nvi) instead of nvim, much faster. It's basically base vi with UTF-8 support. Run :exusage and :viusage from within nvi. Also, my ~/.exrc:…

What’s bad about the root shell?

In addition to what eurasiantiger said, it's been a best practice for decades to keep the root environment default and untouched.

At a behavioral level, you don't want to make root's environment so comfortable that you use it more than you should. By keeping it vanilla /bin/sh you encourage admins to log off and do their usual work in their usual environment.

At a technical level, as soon as you start customizing the root env you open a lot of doors for dynamically linked dependencies to whatever shell+goodies you switch to, which expose root to potential vulnerabilities.

You also increase the risk that updates will break root in some obscure way, which will not have been tested by the OS Q/A process.

Re: IRC Server as Tor Hidden Service on OpenBSD

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Post by mingus88 »

youguyssuck wrote: post #14
thrown_22 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people want anonymity. Mobile phones do not provide it.

Yes they do? You can install system wide Tor on android. If you are referring to the fact that phones emit signals that can be triangulated, that doesn't interfere with anonymity in and of itself.

I mean, it literally interferes with anonymity in the most fundamental way.

"Everywhere you go, even when you're not actively using your phone, it's still listening." - Edward Snowden

With a SIM card, you are by definition always tracked and identified individually. It's how the technology is designed to function. You can remove the SIM card, harden your OS, randomize your Wifi MAC but at that point you aren't really using a _cell phone_ anymore.

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