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A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by iLoveOncall »

landemva wrote: post #28
fasthands9 wrote: post #3

>He wrote that after he tweeted a cartoon last year, Twitter HR asked him to take it down, along with one he had posted internally. I do not understand the perceived right some people think they have to publicly harm the entity that is paying them. A private company is paying you to make them money and you accepted the role because you thought it was the most money you could make. If they decide that you have gone ou…

> you thought it was the most money you could make. Maximum income is not my goal. Livable income, much free time, and minimal taxes is closer to where I would be if I was looking to work at all.

> Livable income, much free time, and minimal taxes

This and "most money you can make" are synonymous. The most disposable income you can have per hour worked. That's it. That's what "maximum income" means.

Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by landemva »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #31
landemva wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you thought it was the most money you could make. Maximum income is not my goal. Livable income, much free time, and minimal taxes is closer to where I would be if I was looking to work at all.

> Livable income, much free time, and minimal taxes This and "most money you can make" are synonymous. The most disposable income you can have per hour worked. That's it. That's what "maximum income" means.

According to your definition, my money number is zero. Also, many hourly workers refuse overtime due to the ramp on taxation after 40 hours.

Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by metadat »

simplotek wrote: post #15
tssva wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m surprised folks say that we can’t be critical of own employer. Our employers are not lords or kings. No one is saying you can't be critical of your own employer. They are saying there are repercussions to being critical and loss of employment is a common one which should be expected. > We choose to work for them and can replace them. They choose to employ us and can replace us.

> No one is saying you can't be critical of your own employer. They are saying there are repercussions to being critical and loss of employment is a common one which should be expected. Why do you feel that the expected outcome of being critical is being punished instead of addressing the root causes of these issues? I mean how do you expect problems to be pointed out and addressed?

Is the status quo today akin to the story of The Emperor's New Clothes?

Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by midoridensha »

simplotek wrote: post #15
tssva wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’m surprised folks say that we can’t be critical of own employer. Our employers are not lords or kings. No one is saying you can't be critical of your own employer. They are saying there are repercussions to being critical and loss of employment is a common one which should be expected. > We choose to work for them and can replace them. They choose to employ us and can replace us.

> No one is saying you can't be critical of your own employer. They are saying there are repercussions to being critical and loss of employment is a common one which should be expected. Why do you feel that the expected outcome of being critical is being punished instead of addressing the root causes of these issues? I mean how do you expect problems to be pointed out and addressed?

>I mean how do you expect problems to be pointed out and addressed?

Apparently, at Twitter, you don't.

Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by tutorialmanager »

BeefWellington wrote: post #7
fasthands9 wrote: post #3

>He wrote that after he tweeted a cartoon last year, Twitter HR asked him to take it down, along with one he had posted internally. I do not understand the perceived right some people think they have to publicly harm the entity that is paying them. A private company is paying you to make them money and you accepted the role because you thought it was the most money you could make. If they decide that you have gone ou…

I worked at IBM years back. If there's one thing that binds current and former employees together it was the shared stitch & bitch about the company's way of doing things. That would frequently happen in large public slack channels and to my knowledge (first and second hand) nobody was ever punished for that kind of talk. However, that was internal, between employees. Often it was about frustrations with how the comp…

My first job was at IBM in 1991 when the "Akers memo" came out. I was amazed by the internal discussion that ensued online and how open people were with complaints about the company.

Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by midoridensha »

Gigachad wrote: post #29
yrgulation wrote: post #24

Twitter will be gone within a few years, or a shell of its former self.

That might be the greatest gift Elon could give to the world. We can only hope it triggers the collapse of social media as we know it.

I wish Elon could somehow buy TikTok and then fly that straight into the ground.

Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by bitmunk »

realgeniushere wrote: post #14

Self test for whether you’re full of it or not: if you think this was unjust, do you feel the same way about Google firing Damore? If not, why?

Damore was (with a lot of benefit of the doubt) totally clueless. Sure, he'll talk about how he thinks that discrimination is bad, and how he doesn't approve of sexism. He turns around and says that women are just neurotic and "more people focused", based on suspect evidence.

Of course you will point out that he was juts talking about the population, and reducing people top that is very bad mkay. He is totally not talking about the fine gals at Google! I could believe that he believes this, but the end result is that the 20% of Blind that is just misogynist assholes get more brazen.

Manu (lightly!) criticized his company with lighthearted cartoons. Demore in practice called 30% of his coworkers neurotic weaklings.

Re: A Twitter engineer who created cartoons poking fun at his own company was fired

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Post by mlyle »

landemva wrote: post #32
iLoveOncall wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Livable income, much free time, and minimal taxes This and "most money you can make" are synonymous. The most disposable income you can have per hour worked. That's it. That's what "maximum income" means.

According to your definition, my money number is zero. Also, many hourly workers refuse overtime due to the ramp on taxation after 40 hours.

There's no ramp on taxation after 40 hours in any jurisdiction I'm aware of-- just a ramp on income tax based on amount earned.

If you're making $800/week ($20/hour) and seeing withholding at 10%, the marginal withholding might be 20% on a step up to $950; on the other hand, you're getting time-and-a-half, so you still go from taking home $18/hour to $24/hour.

(And, of course, for occasional overtime work, you're going to get a lot of the additional tax withholding back, since your uneven income causes you to be overwithheld).

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