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Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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post #19

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I think that if you paid for your home with criminal activity you should forfeit that to repay the victims of your crimes. If your legal and illegal stuff is together, tough shit.

Civil forfeiture is lawless.

Civil forfeiture is a euphemism for theft by authorities.

Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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Only thing that will help is serious prison sentences and the right to defend property with deadly force. Many areas of the country there is no consequences.

How do we get from catalytic converters to the right to murder so quickly?

A lot of people seem to use "killing" and "murder" interchangably, though they are different in more than legal ways. A building collapsing can kill a person, as can a landslide, and an uncontrollably skidding car. A lion attacking a human and eating his organs is no murderer, and neither is that human for defending themselves by killing that lion before he can finish his attack. One human killing another does not necessarily have to be murdering them. Initiation of violence, and intent, determine the difference between killing and murder. Even self-killing and self-murder have their own words (suicide is one). Also crows; They gather in murders all the time. Please consider applying the correct word to the context you wish to discuss.

Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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Only thing that will help is serious prison sentences and the right to defend property with deadly force. Many areas of the country there is no consequences.

There's a penalty for being stolen from though in those areas that do emissions testing, since you can't pass without a working converter, and the state won't replace it for you.

The way these are stolen (cut out), vehicles won't be operable without replacement (or putting in a straight pipe where that's legal).

Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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>The 21 defendants are charged in two separate indictments that were unsealed today in the Eastern District of California and the Northern District of Oklahoma following extensive law enforcement arrest and search operations. In addition to the indictments, over 32 search warrants were executed, and law enforcement seized millions of dollars in assets, including homes, bank accounts, cash, and luxury vehicles. I obvi…

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Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

#35
1: why do we need obsolete tech like catalytic converters when there is better tech for ICE to accomplish the same thing? (answer: because the government requires catalytic converters regardless, so no motivation to replace)

2: why did it take them this long?

Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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Only thing that will help is serious prison sentences and the right to defend property with deadly force. Many areas of the country there is no consequences.

Here in Texas, the law does give the right to defend property with deadly force[1]. And lots of people have guns. We are the #1 state on the list of gun ownership[2]. And catalytic converter theft is still very common. We are the #2 state on the list of catalytic converter thefts per 100k automobiles[3]. --- [1] https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm [2] https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/gun-ownership…

Texas has more than double the licenses of even the second place state (Florida).

Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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post #5

>The 21 defendants are charged in two separate indictments that were unsealed today in the Eastern District of California and the Northern District of Oklahoma following extensive law enforcement arrest and search operations. In addition to the indictments, over 32 search warrants were executed, and law enforcement seized millions of dollars in assets, including homes, bank accounts, cash, and luxury vehicles. I obvi…

I wonder if they limited the seizure to second homes, or basically just kicked the alleged criminals' families onto the street.

Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

#38
post #29

I think taking down the buyers is a the best tool we have right now for this issue. And there are things we could do to make that easier, like putting a serial number on the converter on new cars and replacement parts. Requiring the make, model, and serial number of the car it was removed from, and a web site with a DB that has the ID number of cars they've been stolen from so buyers could check it. Make those who bu…

People would grind off the serial numbers and sell them on the secondary market, or for the metals. With motorcycles, for example, motors and frames have vin numbers stamped to help prevent this, but you’ll sometimes see cheap parts for sale with the vin cleaned off.

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post #16

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You know how if you punish a dog, it doesn't really learn and get better? Humans are like that too. Theft is heavily correlated with the economy. Arguably it's a canary in the mine - you can very usually tell what's going to happen in the macroeconomics of an area by just following crime statistics. "Deterrence" has generally been found to be a pretty well-rooted myth. Majority of theft also happens by people who _do…

If you give a dog timely and consistent corrections, it really does learn. That's literally half the battle in house-training a dog. (Yes, you try to control and arrange success and praise when the dog does the right thing, but you also correct when it does the wrong thing.)

Dogs are smarter than people.

Re: Justice Department announces takedown of catalytic converter theft ring

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How do we get from catalytic converters to the right to murder so quickly?

A lot of people seem to use "killing" and "murder" interchangably, though they are different in more than legal ways. A building collapsing can kill a person, as can a landslide, and an uncontrollably skidding car. A lion attacking a human and eating his organs is no murderer, and neither is that human for defending themselves by killing that lion before he can finish his attack. One human killing another does not ne…

GGP is talking about intentionally killing people. That's murder.

Please consider applying the correct word to the context you wish to discuss.

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