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Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by dools »

andyking wrote: post #19
veb wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it need structural options? At work, I'm supposed to change a lot of our existing websites over to "Wordpress CMS" because it'll make it easier for the admin staff to modify the website, for updates and such. The problem is, they need to locate the login then they need to remember their account info, then they need to find the right page they want to modify, then they have to do a bunch of other clicks to get wh…

I have similar issues - our website is in WordPress and despite the ease-of-use of this particular package, a lot of people just don't seem to get it. Some staff and volunteers pick it up quite easily, if they haven't already seen or used it before, but several people just don't do it, and instead I get a phone call or email saying "can you put this on the website?". Incidentally, do you find a lot of people simply c…

This is exactly the problem we're solving (well, trying to) with Decal CMS. I've been holding off on trying to drive traffic to our initial demo because it's still a little rough around the edges but if anyone wants to check out our early prototype/demo we'd love to hear your feedback http://www.decalcms.com/page/Take_the_Decal_4_minute_challen...

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by dools »

nvictor wrote: post #29

many people already suggested that the idea is not novel. this implementation doesn't add what i wish we had in a modern inline content editing framework: structure. wikis had it for a while now. [[newpage]] anyone? i am wondering how difficult it would be to take wikis out of their textareas. the other concern is naturally security.

Yes - the problem of structure! That's the problem we're trying to solve with Decal. I've posted this link above but I'll stick it here as well so you see the reply: http://www.decalcms.com/page/Take_the_Decal_4_minute_challen... it's a pretty early prototype of how our "designer platform" will allow you to deploy structured, editable websites. I'd love to hear your feedback.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by dools »

secure wrote: post #3

It's obviously in its early stages, but I like the idea. Seems obvious that editing websites in the website itself is much more straight-forward than using some kind of backend (for small-scale CMS).

I've already posted this link in reply to others' comments but I'd love to hear your feedback on our fledgling project "designer platform" which allows you to deploy structured editing interfaces from your HTML: http://www.decalcms.com/page/Take_the_Decal_4_minute_challen...

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by secure »

dools wrote: post #34
secure wrote: post #3

It's obviously in its early stages, but I like the idea. Seems obvious that editing websites in the website itself is much more straight-forward than using some kind of backend (for small-scale CMS).

I've already posted this link in reply to others' comments but I'd love to hear your feedback on our fledgling project "designer platform" which allows you to deploy structured editing interfaces from your HTML: http://www.decalcms.com/page/Take_the_Decal_4_minute_challen...

It requires Firefox (I don't want to go back to FF), but I would consider starting it just for your site.

It requires signing up. I'm out. I have more than enough accounts already. If you want me to have a look at something, make it easily accessible. Sorry. :)

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by dools »

secure wrote: post #36
dools wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've already posted this link in reply to others' comments but I'd love to hear your feedback on our fledgling project "designer platform" which allows you to deploy structured editing interfaces from your HTML: http://www.decalcms.com/page/Take_the_Decal_4_minute_challen...

It requires Firefox (I don't want to go back to FF), but I would consider starting it just for your site. It requires signing up. I'm out. I have more than enough accounts already. If you want me to have a look at something, make it easily accessible. Sorry. :)

Thanks for taking a look anyway! If you'd like to email team@workingsoftware.com.au I'll configure a demo for you with a dummy email that doesn't require you to create an account.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by lux »

andyking wrote: post #19
veb wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it need structural options? At work, I'm supposed to change a lot of our existing websites over to "Wordpress CMS" because it'll make it easier for the admin staff to modify the website, for updates and such. The problem is, they need to locate the login then they need to remember their account info, then they need to find the right page they want to modify, then they have to do a bunch of other clicks to get wh…

I have similar issues - our website is in WordPress and despite the ease-of-use of this particular package, a lot of people just don't seem to get it. Some staff and volunteers pick it up quite easily, if they haven't already seen or used it before, but several people just don't do it, and instead I get a phone call or email saying "can you put this on the website?". Incidentally, do you find a lot of people simply c…

Also trying to solve this problem in a new minimalist open source CMS that just hit 1.0:

http://www.elefantcms.com/

I'm also tired of fixing Wordpress malware issues for friends and clients that host themselves...

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by lux »

asolove wrote: post #4

Inline editing is quite nice. I wonder if I am missing something about this: it seems to only offer italic/bold/underline/strike-through and no structural options? Plug-and-play inline editing for various CMSs would be nice. If this had more features, I could see using it with a structured, lightweight CMS like Perch [1] to edit structured content inline with the published pages. [1] http://grabaperch.com/

Looks like you're right about the i/b/u/s options. Definitely needs a few more (link for one), but looks like a cool start at least. I like that it's client-side and works with a simple Backbone.sync back end.

Re: Create - A new kind of web editing interface

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Post by jordanlev »

Newgy wrote: post #22
veb wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it need structural options? At work, I'm supposed to change a lot of our existing websites over to "Wordpress CMS" because it'll make it easier for the admin staff to modify the website, for updates and such. The problem is, they need to locate the login then they need to remember their account info, then they need to find the right page they want to modify, then they have to do a bunch of other clicks to get wh…

Same problem here. The admin site structure of the typical CMS is an abstraction that makes obvious sense to us developers, but not necessarily to the content managers. Inline is the future.

Couldn't agree more. For the past year or so I've been building sites for clients using Concrete5 (an open source php CMS), and it has this concept at its core -- you edit the site on the actual pages themselves, which much more closely matches the mental model of non-technical users. Furthermore, it provides a lot of flexibility for the developer to customize the editing interface -- you edit content as smaller "blocks" on a page instead of one monolithic WYSIWYG editor for the entire page. In this way, you can have a small little custom interface specifically tailored to that one spot on the page. It's a really elegant system that is unfortunately not as well documented as it could be (I'm hoping to do something about this in the near future though), and since it's a relative newcomer to the php CMS world (open-sourced in 2007 or 2008?), it doesn't have as much name recognition as Wordpress/Joomla/Drupal. But as you point out, inline is the future, and C5 is way more mature than any other similar CMS I've seen, so I think it's an ideal solution for many CMS needs.
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