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Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

#31

we buyin frameworks now

Anyone remembers that upon Remix' initial release, one had to buy a licence for 250 USD? https://web.archive.org/web/20201204025307/https://remix.run...

So what? This is akin to crowdfunding, or patronage. Many people were happy to have early access while supporting the project.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

#32

I don't understand what is the business case for acquiring an open-source framework? Can someone explain why couldn't they just contribute or fork the project?

Offering a great developer experience (DX) when building e-commerce sites is core to their strategy. DX was a key reason why they beat Squarespace in the early e-commerce days: developers preferred building Shopify sites over Squarespace sites.

It's in Shopify's best interest to maintain that developer love and Remix can help with that. Here are two hypothetical situations to highlight that point:

1. If someone else, say, Swell [1], had better DX than Shopify, we would see Shopify start to lose market share to Swell for the segment of the market where developers can influence the tooling decision (i.e. agencies).

2. If in two years from now, everyone is using Next.js to build e-commerce sites, that would put Vercel (the company behind Next.js) in a good position to promote/partner with other e-commerce providers or build their own e-commerce solution and compete with Shopify.

The developer market segment is important and DX is key there.

[1] https://www.swell.is/

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

#33

Interesting move by Shopify, given that they have Hydrogen [0]. I was half expecting Hydrogen to become its own all-purpose framework, but alas, they seem to plan for both to co-exist. > While Hydrogen is focused on commerce, Remix is focused lower in the stack, and will continue to be a general web solution that scales from content through commerce and all the way to apps. Shopify will use Remix across many projects…

We're working on a new version of Hydrogen which is powered by Remix: https://hydrogen.shopify.dev/roadmap/

It's nice to not have to build two meta-frameworks (along with docs and support) so Hydrogen can focus on commerce things.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

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There seems to be a disconnect between what Shopify do internally and what they ask of their users. With Hydrogen and now Remix you would think they have their sh*t together. But when the official docs recommend that you inline jquery click handlers for a simple adjustment to their shop, I just don't know what to think. All in all the Shopify dev experience for me is on par with Wordpress. I hold my nose and cash the…

There's often a disconnect between the technical staff who write customer-facing documentation vs the backend engineering teams. Often the technical writers will be working closely with real customers. The customers will come to them 90% of the time with hacky custom jQuery stores + the support staff won't be highly skilled Front-end engineers (usually a junior-dev grasp of JS/web dev).

Shopify likes to brag about having 4,000 developers. Given the output of the company - that comes across to me as bloat.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

#37
Anyone currently using Remix in a production app? Read through the docs and it seems pretty interesting. Can't really get a sense for how stable it is though.

I know from prior use of React Router, the maintainers love the big rewrites between major version numbers.

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

#38
This is huge. Remix is my favorite React framework at the moment. It is by far the best abstraction I've seen of client/server model. Their API abstraction layer is just right, working with native browser and nodejs APIs, not obscure them. Typescript support is amazing.

I'd bet my money on Remix model and direction vs Nextjs

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

#39
post #11

There seems to be a disconnect between what Shopify do internally and what they ask of their users. With Hydrogen and now Remix you would think they have their sh*t together. But when the official docs recommend that you inline jquery click handlers for a simple adjustment to their shop, I just don't know what to think. All in all the Shopify dev experience for me is on par with Wordpress. I hold my nose and cash the…

I wouldn't be surprised if they swap out liquid and its json based layout config .. despite they keep saying everything is doing great. New gen developer probably got gaslit by React vibe and demands change (admittedly I made this shit up)

Re: Remix web framework aquired by Shopify

#40

Anyone currently using Remix in a production app? Read through the docs and it seems pretty interesting. Can't really get a sense for how stable it is though. I know from prior use of React Router, the maintainers love the big rewrites between major version numbers.

Mix feeling of this Correlation:

React Router -> Remix

Redux -> RSC

Snowpack -> Astro

"This time, we will make it right" kind of feeling.

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