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Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by melony » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 6:54 PM UTC

jfk13 wrote: post #7

> The ship's designer was Hein Jakobsson, the same master shipbuilder who completed Vasa. He realized that Vasa had the wrong proportions even before she was launched, which could lead to instability. And indeed, she tipped, foundered and sank on her maiden voyage. > The Apple was therefore built wider than the Vasa, but despite this, the ship was not successful... Being a "master shipbuilder" in those days was appar…

> Being a "master shipbuilder" in those days was apparently a tough gig.

I heard Boeing's hiring. Maybe they can set him up with a nice software defined pitch corrector too.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by skookum » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:09 PM UTC

zdw wrote: post #8

hericium wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's Vasa Museum[1] in Stockholm with the whole ship. [1] https://www.vasamuseet.se/en/

If you have the opportunity, visiting this museum is highly recommended - they let you walk inside the ship and see both the historical context, as well as the modern restoration process. It's located in a beautiful park and the nearby Nordiska museum is also quite impressive.

I've been visiting the Vasa every few years for 3 decades and there has never been a time when museum goers were allowed onto or into the ship. I haven't been to Stockholm since the start of the Covid pandemic but I very much doubt that has changed.

They do have some rooms on the side with mock-ups of some of the ship's quarters - maybe that is what you are remembering?

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by mwidell » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:21 PM UTC

skookum wrote: post #32

zdw wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have the opportunity, visiting this museum is highly recommended - they let you walk inside the ship and see both the historical context, as well as the modern restoration process. It's located in a beautiful park and the nearby Nordiska museum is also quite impressive.

I've been visiting the Vasa every few years for 3 decades and there has never been a time when museum goers were allowed onto or into the ship. I haven't been to Stockholm since the start of the Covid pandemic but I very much doubt that has changed. They do have some rooms on the side with mock-ups of some of the ship's quarters - maybe that is what you are remembering?

It's funny because I also had this memory of walking around inside the ship when I visited the museum as a child. A few years ago when I visited again I realised it must had been the interior mockups I remember.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by bydo » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:27 PM UTC

mayormcmatt wrote: post #18

pavlov wrote: post #5

The naming of the first ship is obvious: Vasa was the royal house of Sweden. But why did the king decide to call the second ship "The Apple"? Did he like his Macintosh so much?

Tangentially, there is an interesting connection between Scandanavia and the Mac: the command key symbol, AKA Saint John's Arms (among others). When I've visited Sweden, it's all over the countryside, on signs marking places of interest.

Origin story: https://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Swedish_Campgrou...

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by hal-eisen » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:34 PM UTC

While we're talking about old ships, let me toss in a plug (ha ha) for the Edwin Fox. Not quite so old, but still very interesting history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Fox

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by lastofthemojito » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:37 PM UTC

BurningFrog wrote: post #25

coldcode wrote: post #9

I must resist asking if it used Java. I would love to see the Vasa but have not made it to Stockholm yet. I did see the Mary Rose in Portsmouth which was incredibly fascinating to see (large portions of the ship remain so you can see the layout). Mary Rose is from the century prior to Vasa and Äpplet.

I've been across much of the world, and never seen or heard of anything like Vasa. If I'm wrong, I'm sure comments below will have counterexamples :) I tell people that if they only do one thing in Stockholm, it should be that.

Certainly not the same thing, but the 2 literally jaw-dropping moments I've experienced looking at "ships" in museums are the Vasa and the Space Shuttle Discovery (at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum's Udvar-Hazy Center outside of Washington).

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by mherdeg » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:43 PM UTC

I hope they treat it right!

My biggest takeaway from visiting Vasa was that it only has decades left, after being essentially immortal underwater, due to some preservation-related choices that seemed right at the time. A final irony for the vessel I guess.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by thaumasiotes » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:54 PM UTC

bjacobt wrote: post #24

jfk13 wrote: post #7

> The ship's designer was Hein Jakobsson, the same master shipbuilder who completed Vasa. He realized that Vasa had the wrong proportions even before she was launched, which could lead to instability. And indeed, she tipped, foundered and sank on her maiden voyage. > The Apple was therefore built wider than the Vasa, but despite this, the ship was not successful... Being a "master shipbuilder" in those days was appar…

And there was unreasonable expectation and pressure from management https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_syndrome Edited

Don't link to mobile wikipedia. It is incredibly rude to people who want the normal site, while being of zero benefit to people who want the mobile site.

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by airstrike » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 7:57 PM UTC

robin_reala wrote: post #6

pavlov wrote: post #5

The naming of the first ship is obvious: Vasa was the royal house of Sweden. But why did the king decide to call the second ship "The Apple"? Did he like his Macintosh so much?

Wikipedia says: "The Apple" is the Swedish term for the globus cruciger, the regal orb and cross.

"Globus Cruciger" is a badass name for an indie game

Re: Vasa's sister ship Äpplet found

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Post by kzrdude » Tue, Oct 25, 2022, 8:00 PM UTC

thaumasiotes wrote: post #38

bjacobt wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And there was unreasonable expectation and pressure from management https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_syndrome Edited

Don't link to mobile wikipedia. It is incredibly rude to people who want the normal site, while being of zero benefit to people who want the mobile site.

It has been said that mobile wikipedia is more user friendly on any platform, basically a more modern user interface than the standard desktop interface. Thus having benefit to everyone.