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Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#31

Post by ChildOfChaos »

kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Yeah, I am a little disappointed that this is the first upgrade that I cannot get with my late 2015 iMac. I'd use the legacy patcher perhaps, but I don't see much on this new version that I would want, so i'd rather keep things offical for now, to avoid any issues.

Yes, I get that this machine is 7 years old, but I cannot tell from using it, everything is extremely fast, I upspecced it when I bought it and maxed out a lot of things, it has a decent i7 processor, 32gb of ram and 1tb ssd and the m395x maxed out graphics card, heck it still games well in Windows.

I really see zero reason to upgrade, it runs better than my new work windows laptop except that Apple have decided for some reason I can't get the update.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by crazygringo »

kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Of course, because the more older models you support that don't have the hardware needed for your new features, the more programming you have to do to enable/disable those features in different configurations, the more testing, and the more bugs. It becomes impossible to maintain. At some point you have to draw a line and let go, in order to delete the legacy code holding you back.

But please don't throw your iPad in the dumpster! I don't know why you're saying it could be easily used as a video or browser -- it still can! Tons of people use old iPads running old versions of iOS specifically as video players. They're perfect for that! Don't put it in the dumpster, sell it on eBay or give it to a friend's kid or something.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by crazygringo »

mttjj wrote: post #30

> The good > Orange color scheme is fittingly Halloween-y for late October Lol what? Are we to the point now where OS updates are so mundane that a highlight of the release is that the primary color scheme is "holiday relevant" for at most two weeks out of the year? Not bashing Ventura - I haven't used it - I just feel like this is a weird thing to put in the "pro" column for a review of an operating system. Not that…

It's just a joke, just adding a bit of humor. ;)

It's not a bullet point meant to be taken seriously as a "pro" of Ventura... let's just have some fun here!

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#35

Post by bryanlarsen »

This upgrade is going to cost me a lot of money. They've dropped support for my beefy 2016 MBP. Soon enough the latest version of XCode is going to require Ventura and I won't be able to build my app.

Meanwhile, Linus is only just starting the discussion to drop the 486 from the Linux kernel.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

#37

Post by elcomet »

kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> so it has to go in the dumpster with a great battery, a fine screen and a processor that could easily be used as a server, video player, browser etc.

Why would it have to go in the dumpster if it still works well? This reasoning is why we have exessive e-waste, not the lack of upgrades...

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by ergonaught »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #31
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

Yeah, I am a little disappointed that this is the first upgrade that I cannot get with my late 2015 iMac. I'd use the legacy patcher perhaps, but I don't see much on this new version that I would want, so i'd rather keep things offical for now, to avoid any issues. Yes, I get that this machine is 7 years old, but I cannot tell from using it, everything is extremely fast, I upspecced it when I bought it and maxed out…

I had every desire and intention of upgrading my desktop (late 2015 iMac) to the newer hardware, right up until they decided this hardware is somehow incompatible with the newest MacOS.

They've basically just ended 20 years of Mac for me.

Pity.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by kossTKR »

elcomet wrote: post #37
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> so it has to go in the dumpster with a great battery, a fine screen and a processor that could easily be used as a server, video player, browser etc. Why would it have to go in the dumpster if it still works well? This reasoning is why we have exessive e-waste, not the lack of upgrades...

It works well only in theory. Almost no apps works on ios9 anymore, so you can't run netflix, hbo, even browsers are useless because certificates aren't updated - that's why i wanted to just use it as a homekit server, but you can't do this either.

ie, the processor is just fine for doing all of the above, but slowly all functionality has been lost.

Re: macOS 13 Ventura review

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Post by fl0id »

elcomet wrote: post #37
kossTKR wrote: post #26

Is there any legit reason Apple is hastening the drop of support for older computers when they can be upgraded just fine with the OpenCore Legacy Patcher? It seems wrong to me in an age of excessive e-waste that seemingly arbitrary thresholds is set that has zero hardware links. I generally really like Apple, and is planning on retiring my 2014 Macbook Pro for an M2, but it's still working absolutely great. But i cou…

> so it has to go in the dumpster with a great battery, a fine screen and a processor that could easily be used as a server, video player, browser etc. Why would it have to go in the dumpster if it still works well? This reasoning is why we have exessive e-waste, not the lack of upgrades...

Because you won't get security updates after 2 years or so.
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