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Iran's government moves to criminalize VPNs (2021)

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Re: Iran's government moves to criminalize VPNs (2021)

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There are similar moves to "make people accountable" for their online actions in the west as well; only the details differ, the motivation is the same -- structural control of online activities and content.

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> your speech causes harm, you should have to make it right

Could you define “harm”?

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I care more what happens to me, than what I care what happens in a random part of the world. You may not like it, and it may not suit your agenda, but it do be like that.

And that alleged agenda is?

taking americans for a ride. Toppling governments because of your own ethnic gripes. Enough of this.

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> your speech causes harm, you should have to make it right Could you define “harm”?

Say for example, false accusations were made against somebody and they were fired.

Any place a lie is told, and somebody losses money or is otherwise harmed by that lie.

I'm not talking about peoples feelings being hurt.

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Anonymous speech is important for anti-corruption. The Washington Post's Watergate investigation would not have taken place without the anonymous sourcing by "Deep Throat."

I'm not an expert on the matter, its a little before my time, but I think a journalist went on the record and reported than an anonymous source told him of X, Y, and Z.

I don't know about the US, but I believe in some jurisdictions the newspaper and the journalist risk lawsuits if the information they report is a lie.

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Other than a direct threat or call to action that involves direct threats, how is speech "harmful" - sure, sometimes I get my own tyrranical bents and wish that certain things would be better left unsaid, but realistically, what is "harmful speech" besides someone with particular foul breath?

A lie. A false accusation can have devastating consequences.

Even a truth that you were not ready to share with the world could be very harmful.

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> your speech causes harm, you should have to make it right Could you define “harm”?

Say for example, false accusations were made against somebody and they were fired. Any place a lie is told, and somebody losses money or is otherwise harmed by that lie. I'm not talking about peoples feelings being hurt.

Was the harm "being fired" or was the harm the "false accusation"?

Because I can think of plenty of things others do that get people fired, without any falsity to it. Should we prosecute calling up someone's employer and urging them to fire them?

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