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Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by idorosen »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #25

> The list price of the Docker Business subscription will go up by $3, to $24 per user per month (Business is only available on an annual basis). I hate that this has become an acceptable way to list prices. It's not $24 per month, it's $288 per year! "Per month" implies the customer can pay that price every month , and also stop paying on any given month. In other news, Docker Business is going to cost 3.3¢ per user…

The context on the same page one paragraph earlier shows other monthly plan price changes that, so it seems reasonable to me for them to report monthly prices to make it easier for people to compare plan prices and savings as they have.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by nimbius »

not to sound snide but...people still pay for docker?

podman/skopeo/buildah exist free of charge and run containers rootlessly. theres even a podman-compose tool to migrate from existing compose orchestration.

what does a docker subscription get you? the online service? why is this better than just a $250 vps with 12 cores, 48g of ram, and a TB of storage at some place like Ramnode or Vultr?

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by vetinari »

nimbius wrote: post #32

not to sound snide but...people still pay for docker? podman/skopeo/buildah exist free of charge and run containers rootlessly. theres even a podman-compose tool to migrate from existing compose orchestration. what does a docker subscription get you? the online service? why is this better than just a $250 vps with 12 cores, 48g of ram, and a TB of storage at some place like Ramnode or Vultr?

It's not even for docker. It is for Docker Desktop.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by KronisLV »

moondev wrote: post #14
KronisLV wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Podman is a nice alternative for Docker I think. I'd say that it's good for some scenarios. It's not an entirely complete Docker alternative, there still being various inconsistencies, especially when there are projects like Docker Compose (which has Podman Compose under development) and even Docker Swarm (for which there is no direct alternative), or when something like Nomad support for Podman is still relatively…

Are you confusing podman with containerd perhaps? Podman is designed to be a developer focused drop-in replacement for docker to use on one's workstation. It's not possible to use it as a Kubernetes container runtime, there is no CRI for it to work. You can however run Kubernetes style "pods" locally from a pod manifest without a kube-apiserver which is pretty neat.

Yep, my bad! Post has been edited, I should stop posting in the evenings.

Most of the original points stand, except that Podman can run workloads described as Kubernetes YAML (or essentially compete with Rancher Desktop thanks to Podman Desktop), but isn't a runtime for Kubernetes like containerd.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by vetinari »

Spivak wrote: post #27
xiwenc wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO is becoming a necessity for small businesses also. If you are involved in audits, you will understand how valuable it is.

> you will understand how valuable it is. Sounds like it’s worth the cost then.

No. If you gatekeep SSO, your product is not even considered. There are enough alternatives, so it is not a problem.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by KronisLV »

nezirus wrote: post #17
KronisLV wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Podman is a nice alternative for Docker I think. I'd say that it's good for some scenarios. It's not an entirely complete Docker alternative, there still being various inconsistencies, especially when there are projects like Docker Compose (which has Podman Compose under development) and even Docker Swarm (for which there is no direct alternative), or when something like Nomad support for Podman is still relatively…

You don't need podman-compose, docker-compose is perfectly viable with podman. They've even fixed some long standing bugs/problems lately, so docker-compose v2 can also be used with podman [1]. [1] https://podman.io/releases/2022/05/09/podman-release-v4.1.0....

That's good to hear! I think Podman is going to be one of those projects that just get better and better with every subsequent release and might displace Docker for particular workloads rather easily.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Spivak »

vetinari wrote: post #35
Spivak wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you will understand how valuable it is. Sounds like it’s worth the cost then.

No. If you gatekeep SSO, your product is not even considered. There are enough alternatives, so it is not a problem.

I find it funny that people say things like this, because not only is it demonstrably not true looking at different product segments, but even if it was you're basically admitting to self-selecting as a customer who would never have paid in the first place and so companies are overjoyed that you're not using them.

"I would have paid you if you gave me X for free" is the biggest lie.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by throitallaway »

HideousKojima wrote: post #22
ilovecaching wrote: post #11

Its unfortunate Docker came out of the VC space instead of being a hobby/research project with no intentions of making money. Solomon Hykes could have been the next Linus Torvalds and Docker could have been completely encompassed by a foundation, with the development being funded by a consortium of businesses each keeping each other in check as in the kernel. As it stands Docker seems to have burnt a lot of open sour…

>now people are left choosing between a failed unicorn desperate to monetize or a Red Hat knockoff designed to get you into RHEL There are other alternatives, like Amazon's Firecracker

Firecracker looks more akin to AWS Lambda than Docker/containerization.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by _ea1k »

xiwenc wrote: post #16
WhatsName wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SSO as a requirement is a reliable way to differenciate small business/ hobbist from commercial usage of your product. I really don't get at whom this SSO-tax hate is directed at?

SSO is becoming a necessity for small businesses also. If you are involved in audits, you will understand how valuable it is.

This is less true in places where auditors don't understand sso.

Re: Docker October 2022 Pricing Change FAQ

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

idorosen wrote: post #31
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #25

> The list price of the Docker Business subscription will go up by $3, to $24 per user per month (Business is only available on an annual basis). I hate that this has become an acceptable way to list prices. It's not $24 per month, it's $288 per year! "Per month" implies the customer can pay that price every month , and also stop paying on any given month. In other news, Docker Business is going to cost 3.3¢ per user…

The context on the same page one paragraph earlier shows other monthly plan price changes that, so it seems reasonable to me for them to report monthly prices to make it easier for people to compare plan prices and savings as they have.

But those prices are also reported incorrectly! The page should say something like:

> The list price of the Docker Team subscription will go up by $2 monthly / $24 annually, to $11 per user per month or $108 per user per year. (Annual subscribers will continue to save $24 yearly per user.)

> The list price of the Docker Business subscription will go up by $36, to $288 per user per year.

Note that Docker's pricing page also emphasizes the per-month cost of their annual plans, so this isn't some change they made for the blog post.

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